OH JOHN RINGO NO!

[liz_marcs]

With all the business about this kind of skeevy crap (not to mention the fact there's a massive case of failboat here), is it wrong that I'm perversely pleased that OH JOHN RINGO NO has become a catchphrase (hradzka must be proud!)?

No, seriously. It's not everyday one is present at the birth of an Internet meme and has the commenting record to prove it.

What? Don't look at me like that.

Anyway, Unfunny Business on Journalfen is going a bit of a round-up on the business.

As for me, I only have one question:

Why is it that whenever someone (usually male) decides that it's time to get "sex positive," it's invariably the women who need to "get over their issues" so they can participate? Also, why is it that they're the ones who usually end up at the receiving end of whatever insane little "sex positive" experiment is being done?

Strange how that works, hunh?

Look, if a woman says the idea of such a "sex positive" experiment (read: giving men a free pass on treating female-type people like meat) is skeevy, it does not mean she's "got sexual issues," or "lacks a sense of humor," or is "anti-feminism."

What it means is that she reserves the right to do one or all of the following if you pull that shit on her:

1) Mace your ass

2) Rip your nuts off

3) Call the cops and press sexual assault charges

It also means that she (and I imagine quite a lot of men) don't like it when complete strangers grope any part of their anatomy, erogenous zone or not.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some people that they don't get that?

That said, seeing OH JOHN RINGO NO plastered all over this tempest has had me giggling like a loon all day (much love to the_red_shoes for using it first in reference to this).

Comments

[zoethe.livejournal.com]

I'm not insulting all the women involved, indeed, I'm feeling rather protective of the ones who may be regretting their choice right now.

Can you not see that this attitude is inherently insulting? That it assumes that these women were too foolish to make good decisions for themselves? FWIW, we have gotten many emails from women who were there and are urging Ferrett to please come back to the cons. They are angry that people have treated him this way.

I do agree that it's an experiment that cannot continue because there is too much chance of abuse if it's "released into the wild." But in its very limited version, it was a really positive experience for the people involved.

[nocturnalista.livejournal.com]

I know from my own experience, and from the experiences of my friends, that very young women can do things they end up regretting. I also know that people on the fringes of groups can be pulled into experiences they may not be ready for. These are the people of whom I feel protective.

Your opinion is that by criticizing any of this, I'm insulting women. My opinion is, by focusing this brand of attention of breasts, you have objectified them, and I find it insulting that you can't see that. Why not focus on peoples minds, instead of their body parts? why not go beyond gender and sexuality, and focus on the intellect?

If you can say that every person who participated and every person who was compelled to observe because they were attending a function which, unless I'm mistaken, they paid for, came out of this with a positive point of view, then I have no room to complain. However, if one person was disturbed or has regrets, then I'm going to use my freedom of speech.

As for Ferrett, this is the first time I've even mentioned his name.I don't lay blame on a single person. This was a mob activity.

[zoethe.livejournal.com]

The women were for the most part in their 30s and 40s. Only a few were in their late 20s. there were not young women.

We have received lots of email from people who were there, both participants and observers and all the comments have been positive and supportive.