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liz_marcs ([personal profile] liz_marcs) wrote2009-07-30 09:37 am

Oh, look. A new tool for stalkers!

Oh. Fuck. No.

I can understand having this feature available to people who are being harassed by stalkers and bullies, but making it open and general to every little monkey on the Internet? If you want to talk about a tool that stalkers and bullies can use, here it is!

Fuck. No.

JUST FYI to my FList: The default on this new feature is that all visitors to your LJ will be visible and that you will be visible to all every LJ and community you visit when you visit them, even if you don't comment.

If you want to remain "anonymous" while flitting around various journals and communities on ElJay, you have to click the "DO NOT WANT" option.

Here's the post about this new 'My Guests' feature on ElJay.

[livejournal.com profile] entrenous88 has better reading comprehension that I do. The post says that the option default is off. I jumped the gun on that because when I went to my privacy page to shut the option down, the radial button was on "YES DO WANT" option.

In either case, I've opted out of the system. I do reserve the right to opt-in should I get hit with trolls or stalkers, but short of having actual problems, this ElJay won't be tracking visitors.
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[personal profile] spikewriter 2009-07-30 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
And it doesn't even do what I'd want a tracker to do -- give me info per individual posts so I can see how many folks are clicking through to my fic. All it does is show you who is looking at your journal.

I don't care who exactly -- anything sensitive is FL -- though I would sometimes like numbers. Hmm. I wonder if I could get Google Analytics to work for that. It'd pretty much give me numbers only.
Edited 2009-07-30 13:46 (UTC)
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[identity profile] entrenous88.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I think there's very likely a counter that would help you figure out how many unique hits (as opposed to number of hits without designating how many are return-visitors and how many are new viewers). I don't know where to point you, unfortunately, but I bet you'll find a counter that works for you.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
You can go to LJ Toys and create an account there. That'll give you a counter and the IP addresses of visitors.

The problem is that you have to insert the code into every individual LJ post, or at least the post where you want to track visitors (the ability to overlay your mood badges so it does it automatically is only if you pay for an account there).

Personally, I tried it and didn't find it worth the effort. It's useful if you're dealing with bullies, stalkers, or harassment, but beyond that I didn't find it worth dealing with.
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[identity profile] entrenous88.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 01:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, no -- the post says The default setting is for My Guests to be turned off, but the dialog box will keep appearing until you make a selection.
. So until you enable it, it shouldn't announce you/track other visitors to your LJ.

I'm with you, btw. I think it's awkward and odd at the least, and creepy and obsessive at the worst.

[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, they've announced that the default mode is off - but when the widgetty thing comes up for you to choose whether to turn it on or off the choice is automatically at ON which is confusing a lot of people.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. That's exactly what happened in my case.

I know I read it, but when I saw the widgety thing, I thought it had automatically made me sign up for it.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh, you are right.

I've edited the journal entry and given you credit. :-)

What it comes down to is when I went to my privacy options to make sure that I was opted out, the radial button was on the "YES DO WANT" option. So I jumped the gun on flipping out.

In either case, I opted out of the system.

All I'd want is a simple count option. LJ Toys has one, which also gives you the IP address of visitors, but you have to insert the code into every post, or at least in posts where you want to track visitors. It's kind of a pain and not worth it unless you have a reason to do it (the aforementioned stalkers and bullies...)
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[identity profile] entrenous88.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Pffft, no need to give me credit! I just figured that since LJ for once actually gave us the opt-out as default, it's worth making note of it. :D

Yeah, honestly I think LJ Toys is odd too. If it was just IPs, eh, I can understand that. But you can turn on IP tracking by default with LJ without using LJ Toys, so I think it's actually something more. Doesn't it actually give you usernames as opposed to IP addresses? At least, the people I see talking about it under flock are often naming names, which I'm not sure how they would be able to do so unless they already had a matching IP with a direct comment from that person.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It names names only if the person is signed into ElJay at the time.

If they're signed out or don't have an account, it's just an IP address.

There was awhile where I was using it because I was dealing with AnonyMice issues (this was before I banned anonymous commenting completely) and I was trying to figure out if it was one person or just a random collection of people whose comments I was deleting day after day.

After a couple of weeks (and after I got slammed with a slew of nasty male AnonyMice over that stupid Open Source Boob Project), I threw up my hands and just shut down anonymous commenting completely. I haven't used LJ Toys since because I haven't needed to.

Also, an interesting thing: If you use Firefox and you're using ScriptBlocker, if someone on your FList is using LJ Toys, it'll register and block it (assuming you haven't done the whole "allow everything on livejournal" button press).
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[identity profile] entrenous88.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally understand if you're getting hit with annoying spammers and jerky people, to the extent of getting names and IPs in that case. It's the other cases that I don't get.

Huh, interesting. I forget what ScriptBlocker does besides that. *ponders* I haven't made my Firefox as customized as I could do.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
*stares at your icon*

HOT FUZZ! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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[identity profile] entrenous88.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
INORITE???? I love that movie so, so much. OH, and also, I finally saw ST:reboot yesterday, and SCOTTY! *draws hearts around Simon Pegg*

We should plan a Hot Fuzz viewing soon, because it's one of the best movies ever.

[identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
It's something that's on Orkut as well, I guess the new networking fad. I don't really have much use for it, however, I think that given that you can't just invisibly keep track of others visiting you without having others see what you're doing as well, if you're trying to do not-above-board stuff, you can't really stay hidden either. And isn't the default to stay hidden? I thought the pop-up option was just to make the decision final and let us know that it's there.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
In that sense, I agree: if you're going to want to see who's visiting your ElJay, then you should be visible, too. I don't see a problem with that at all.

In fact, there are similar options on Facebook and LinkedIn, but they don't bother me quite as much because I use those services for different and professional reasons.

I just have an awkward feeling about making the option generally available to anyone on ElJay because I can just see the issues cropping up.
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[identity profile] entrenous88.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
because I can just see the issues cropping up
Can you imagine? "You saw I was sad and you didn't comment!" "You read my fic and didn't leave me a response!" "I'm defriending you because you lurk -- I see you on the My Guests list! -- and never say anything, and it creeps me out!" Blech.
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[personal profile] havocthecat 2009-07-30 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! I'm not worried about stalkers, I'm worried about people creating drama where there should be none.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the heads-up. Opted out as fast as my spindly legs could carry me.

[identity profile] ladysmith.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The option was on when I went to check, so I don't know about this whole default off thing...
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[personal profile] fishsanwitt 2009-07-30 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It looked very 'Big Brother'-ish to me. I also opted out.
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[identity profile] theantijoss.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I second you're OH HELL NO. Jeebus. I prefer my stalkers invisible and anoymous, thanks.

[identity profile] atlantisgrrrl.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh - thanks to your yelp I took note of this ... 'idea' at least, instead of likely just having ignored it. So thanks for yelping :) Oh, and yeah, eljay. Nothing can possibly turn incredibly wanky with this plan *eyeroll*.

[identity profile] mommanerd.livejournal.com 2009-07-30 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who did a mental backflip over this one. What the...?

That's just weird.

[identity profile] rubywisp.livejournal.com 2009-07-31 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
just fyi: the post may say that default=off, but i just went to livejournal.com to check it out, and it popped up as on. everybody should probably check for themselves, just to be on the safe side.