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liz_marcs ([personal profile] liz_marcs) wrote2009-06-06 11:00 am

Life and Death of the American Car

When I bought my first foreign car (a Subaru stick-shift) it caused a minor controversy in my family.

The way may parents saw it, you are an American. You should buy an American car. Not because it was your patriotic duty, but because it supported the American worker.

I pointed out (at the time) that said foreign car was not only more reliable, it was a better-built car with better gas mileage. Both were important since I was working as a reporter at the time and the frequent breakdowns and sucky gas mileage of my previously owned, all American cars couldn't be tolerated.

Plus, it was my money I was spending, not theirs. Which they readily conceded.

I owned two Subarus in succession. Both were great cars (although hella expensive to fix on the rare occasions they needed fixing), and those engines were ticking over very strong when I had to give them up. The key problem with Subarus? The body work sucketh the big weenie. It didn't help that the salt-encrusted roads of wintertime New England were all "NOM NOM NOM" on the body either. In short, the cars became unsafe to drive because the floors were rotting out of them.

I was on the broke side when I picked up a Buick Century for $2,000 (thanks in large part to my mother's ability to twist and break the arms of car dealers -- I swear the woman is not only blessed with Arab trader blood, but was probably a horse-trader in another life). The car was reliable, but it drove like a tank and sucked gas through a straw.

I had to dump the Buick rather quickly. There was a minor accident in a parking garage when a guy with a rented jaguar pulled right out in front of my car (the insurance companies dubbed him entirely at fault). His car was totaled on the spot since he couldn't even drive it away. I drove away, but sprung a serious gas leak. I got totaled a few days later.

My parents then thinking it was time to bring me back into the American-made fold, drive me to a Saturn dealership where I bought my beloved 2001 Saturn SL with manual transmission which has never given me a moments worry, has enough pep on the road to rival more powerful cars, turns on a dime, and has gas mileage that rivals the hybrids.

I love my car. I plan to drive it into the ground. Sure, the exterior's made of plastic (the passenger cabin underneath is actually Volvo construction -- which is why the cars do so well in accidents), but it doesn't rust and bounces back from the dings and scratches of outrageous driving like WHOA!

(Unless some asshat hits your car in a parking lot hard enough to break the plastic exterior. Yes. I'm still bitter about my $500 deductible, why do you ask?)

Needless to say, I was utterly befuddled when GM announced it was dumping the Saturn line as part of its bankruptcy process. Yes, they made the decision based on what was making them money, but Saturn is actually a line with a future and could potentially be a success in the world market if GM gave it a shot.

Hundreds of thousands of Saturn owners (some of them with older cars than myself) agreed. There was some serious anger out there, not just among Saturn dealers and their employees, but also Saturn owners.

Saturn owners can now rejoice. SATURN HAS BEEN SAVED! GM is selling it off the Saturn line lock, stock, and barrel to Penske Automotive Group. The man single-handedly saved 13,000 jobs with this move. And unlike GM, which never knew what the hell to do with Saturn, he's got plans.

Hooray!

Or maybe not...Penske isn't getting the Spring Hill plant, which up until 2007 built Saturns. He may be forced to send construction of the car overseas. So while he's saving the Saturn network, the manufacturing jobs may be disappeared anyway.

As for my "buy American" parents, they recently had to buy a new car themselves out of necessity rather than want.

They bought: a Honda Accord.

It's ironic. Just as I'm celebrating the fact that a chip of an American car company is going to survive, they've bought a Honda.

The reason? All the American cars they tried were either underpowered, poorly constructed, or were just uncomfortable to drive. To make things worse, the American car dealers weren't even willing to negotiate on prices or show them any cars that were younger than a 2009.

It was sheer frustration that brought them into a Honda dealership. It was the fact that the dealership treated them like customers instead of marks that got them to stay for more than 5 minutes. And it was the fact that my mother was able to work her horse-trading magic that they actually bought the car.

And they're already in love with it!

The Accord's got all the features they wanted (unlike all of the American cars they tried...and they tried a lot of American cars), and a few features they didn't know they wanted before they had them.

I get updates on how awesome the car is. Jokes about how the car is smarter than they are. All the weird little features its got (like heated seats!). The fact it keeps track of gas mileage.

They're reading the instruction manual even as we speak.

They're going to be sending me "baby pictures" next.

Ladies and Gentlemen...my parents.

If the American car companies have lost people like these as customers, possibly for good, then it's a sign that the fall was most likely inevitable.

ETA: I'm glowering at the sky right now. I was planning to hit the river today, but the low-hanging, rain-heavy looking clouds aren't making me feel comfy about doing so. So now I have to put off kayaking until tomorrow morning. At least it's supposed to be nice and sunny in Sunday morning.
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[personal profile] matgb 2009-06-06 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
heated seats and fuel efficiency are new features to them?

Seriously, I know the US car industry has a bad rep internationally, but my parents had cars with heated seats and mileage meters when I was a kid.

I never have, because all my cars have been bottom of the range cheap small cars, but they're a fairly standard feature on cars that aren't dirt cheap this side of the pond.

Fortunately, the 'buy british' attitude was killed off a long time back. Which is why the UK car industry was reasonably succesful, it had to compete with all the other manufacturers globally, and did so fairly well. Apparently GM's UK subsidiary was actually profitable until everyone stopped buying new cars.

Still, comparative advantage is a wonderful thing, just takes awhile for the economy to adjust. Good that someone with a brain has stepped up to take one of the better divisions though.
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[personal profile] spiralleds 2009-06-06 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
My first and only car (bought with my money) was a 99 Saturn SL2. Dante's been to and from Maine, to and from Alaska and all around the midwest. The quality of the frame (from a safely standpoint) and its gas mileage were its big selling points to me.

Granted, there was my transmission blowing out on my way to Christmas Eve service in Alaska, but overall, I'm quite happy with D and plan to keep driving him for as long as I can.

So, yes, count me in the crew of folks excited that GM found a buyer for Saturn. (And color me confused it isn't something they wanted to hang onto.)
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[personal profile] krait 2009-06-08 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
show them any cars that were younger than a 2009.

Well, I don't think the 2010 models will come out till June/July...? Or did you mean, wouldn't show them any older models?

[identity profile] wrenlet.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I am VERY happy to hear about Saturn. Kia got me on the gas mileage/usable space/safety rating matrix and also because a local dealership was offering last-chance financing (my sucky credit rating, let me show you what three years of repeated layoffs will do), but I've always had an eye on the Saturns. IF *knock wood* by the time my Rio Cinco gives out they have a reasonably priced, long-lived model available, I will go for it.
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[identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really think there's much of a difference in foreign and domestic cars when it comes to supporting the American worker. At the very top, yeah, there's a difference in who is pulling in the profits, but there's lots of assembly going on in the US and Mexico, and back and forth between those two countires.

Example: My Dad works at a factory that builds radios for cars and motorcycles. At the moment, their two biggest customers is BMW and Crysler.

I also hear you about the weather. My parents are heading off to MA today, and there was a lot of thinking about what to pack do to the weather.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
The weather around here has been unstable this year. One day you're in the 80s, the next you're in the 60s. It's impossible to know what clothes to put on in the morning, because by the time you're out of work the weather feels like it's roared in from a different season. I'm still putting on sweaters and short-sleeve shirts depending on the day.

It's maddening.

But, yeah, American/Foreign cars really isn't quite the neat divide it was during the 70s.

[identity profile] stoney321.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Funny thing about Hondas/Acuras and Toyotas - they're put together here, typically, ditto with Nissans. I miss my Acura, but I freaking love my Ford, gotta say. If I was going to get a new car that was well made and inexpensive, it would be a Mustang convertible (hey, I want some fun and zip) or a Subaru Outback, because those things are tanks, awesome, have surprisingly HUGE interiors, and as I live down south, last and last and last.

I had completely forgotten about Saturn, so thanks for the reminder. hopefully the plant can stay here, too.

More info than you want, but gotta share, cause it's Saturn!

[identity profile] taerowyn.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay on the Saturn news. My first car was (and still is) my 99 Saturn. Love, love, love it. Same with the never a worry and plan to drive it into the ground.

We joke that my family should be a Saturn commercial (or get some sort of bulk purchasing discount).

My mom was first, leasing one in the early 90s. She just loved how the company dealt with her and thought the safety features were great. By the time she got her second sedan, my dad was in a little two-door.

That second sedan saved her life. Asshat in an SUV ran a red light going 40+ and plowed right into the drivers side of her car. They had to use the jaws of life to get her out of there. She was knocked around a bunch and had ongoing back troubles, but other than that, she was pretty ok. While the back troubles were pretty bad, considering how it could have been, we *really* appreciated the Volvo-like safety construction under all that plastic. (When my dad and I went to take pictures of her beloved car to prove to her it was totaled, the pic that sold her was the fact that the drivers seat was basically where the middle console used to be.)

So she definitely replaced that with another Saturn.

When it came time for me to get my first car, my parents said I could get what I could afford or they'd help me get a new Saturn (gee, let me think...)

At this point, I'm on my first, Mom's on her third, Dad's on his second, my brother's on his second and we've even gotten my sister-in-law in on it and she's on her first. (See what I mean by bulk discount...Come on....buy 10 get one free? Anyone?)

So we've been understandably unhappy with the way GM has been handling Saturn. This news is more than welcome!

[identity profile] julia-here.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not just American car companies that are in a death spiral, though- Toyota in particular has tanked in the last few years, and I think I know why. The longer we own our 2005 Camry (bought used in 2007) the more we hate it, but it won't be paid off for another three years. The driving position is sports car style (very horizontal) and it turns out that's what's behind a great deal of my husband's increased back and leg pain. All of us hate the bad sight lines; long car trips become a nightmare of claustrophobia, especially for back-seat passengers. Bad sight lines also played a major role in the infamous deer collision last year, as well as body damage caused by hitting a low obstruction backing out of a driveway; next time you're stuck with a view of the road, count the numbers of late-model Camries and Corollas with diver's side rear-fender damage, it's quite instructive. (I've done this on long road trips, since the sight-lines guarantee that the only thing I can watch is the cars ahead).

Julia, and don't even get me started on the insanity of trying to stow coats, purses, camera cases, structured hats, et'c, with more than one person in the car...

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[identity profile] lillian13.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. My beloved Suzuki wagon got totalled several years ago--and Suzuki had stopped making wagons. I got a Focus wagon, and while I've had a few bumps with it, by and large it's been a great little hauler. I was kind of looking around the net the other day to see what the eventual replacement will be (it's a 2001), and Ford no longer makes wagons. I hope they wise up over the next few years...

Hey, missed you! Only got chowder once, and never got to eat lobster while I was in Boston. Visited the Aquarium on my free day. If I never see another staircase I'll be happy. :-)

[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
With the Honda Accord I think the seats are individually heated as well, so they could set the heating to how each parent prefers it.

[identity profile] altyronsmaker.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I nearly sobbed when I heard that Saturn was going to go bye bye. My little ION II rode like hotcakes. It was limber, could turn on a dime, got great gas mileage, was SOOO comfortable, and the instrument guages were in the middle of the dash board, like an airplane's would be. That was awesome. but the BEST thing about my saturn? It saved my life. That crumple zone? Holy crap. I was in a serious accident last January (08) and was able to walk away with ONLY two bruises. that was it. Car totalled, the truck I hit, totaled. But I will ALWAYS sing the praises of Saturn vehicle construction. Always. So, to hear that they're being saved? That makes me fell TERRIFIC! That is a great line and it needs to be around.

I now drive a Pontiac G6. Yup. Another GM. And another line that's being discontinued.

[identity profile] huzzlewhat.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I am soooo pleased to hear that Saturn is being saved. My first car was a white 1996 SL2, which I named Phoebe and loved beyond all sense until a stupid woman in a BMW pulled a U-Turn into oncoming traffic during rush hour. Phoebe was totaled. :-( I replaced Phoebe with Calypso, a red 98 SL2, who saw me from Philadelphia to Milwaukee without complaint. I would probably still be driving Calypso if I hadn't decided that I desperately needed a Mini Cooper. (Which I also love. His name is Bart.) My sister, upon hearing that I'd bought a Mini, asked, "Are you ever going to buy a car that doesn't come with a cult attached?" Humph.

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I read The fact it keeps track of gas mileage. and thought 'no wonder so much of the American car industry is having problems - the 11 year old Skoda we just traded in, on a 3 year old Skoda, did that - it was just standard. It mainly did about 38mpg - but our gallons are bigger than yours, of course.

Your Saturn sounds good though!

[identity profile] ishafel.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww. I love my '94 SL2, and I plan to drive her til she dies.

[identity profile] vwbug.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
My parents are about to move to Michigan with a Toyota and a Nissan. Mom expects to get dirty looks...and expects she'll continue to since her next car will also be a Toyota...

I too am glad Saturn was saved, though.

[identity profile] imaginarycircus.livejournal.com 2009-06-06 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I've had three hondas and they were all wonderful, safe, and affordable. I married a man who still drives the same 1998 Honda he bought in grad school. I've always felt a little guilty about not buying American. I used to drive my grandmother's Saturn around sometimes. It was a very good car.

The weather was gorgeous most of the day here in Cambridge. I hope you got out on the river. I can read. >_>
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[identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
After so many sucky American cars I'm a very happy Honda owner and the husband has recently bought an Accord and is thoroughly in love with it.

I know a lot of people who loved the Saturns though, so I'm glad they got saved.

[identity profile] davegrs.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
I've owned a number of different cars over the years, Pontiac, Buick, 2 Toyotas, Honda, Mercury, Lincoln, 2 Acuras. I also rent a lot of cars for work travel. I hate Toyotas and love Hondas. I also find that I really like the GM products I've been renting. Haven't tried buying one recently but there's been good thought in the designs. Let's see what happens.

[identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
I have owned 3 cars in my life: a Toyota Corolla, which I bought second hand and drove it until it fell apart, a Honda Civic hatchback, which lasted me 15 years until the body rusted out from 15 winters parked outside. My next and current car is another Honda Civic; it's 14 years old, and just hit the 292,000Km mark. I love the reliability of the Hondas, and don't feel bad about owning a car that is good on gas, easy to maintain, and is partly built here in Canada.
I did consider a Saturn, but stayed with the Civic.
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[identity profile] sylo-tode.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Your parents' experience demonstrates why the American automotive industry is in such dire circumstances.

At one time, the people in my family that had Saturns included me, my wife, my mother, my sister, my sister-in-law, and my mother-in-law. The only reason I'm not still driving my '94 SL is because we bought a pop-up trailer and needed something that could pull it.

However, the death knells of the Saturn were when GM grabbed it and made it just another version of the other stuff they were selling. If Penske has them built here in the States, we'll be back.

No matter what happens, though, when the time comes, we'll be buying a vehicle that's made in the States, regardless of where the company calls home. I'll also be looking for a bumper sticker that reads: My Car Was Made In The U.S. Was Yours? Too many "American" cars would have to answer, "No, not really."

Sadly, The Saturn That You Remember Is Long Gone...

[identity profile] adpfromga.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
Since 2005 or so? Saturns have been built in Mexico and the Spring Hill plant has built Chevy Malibus.

While they still take your picture in the dealership, they no longer have a no haggle price and some of the unique features of the car (Saturns had a totally different motor than a lot of GM cars) are the same as other cars to save money.

I too was saddened to hear about Saturn. I gave up the '97 wagon which was the ultimate gear hauler family car, in my divorce as it still had a payment and my Mazda did not.

To summarize the NPR story I heard, GM killed the Saturn concept the way we remember it because it didn't make enough money. Not that it didn't make some money, but GM in their greed, decided that they'd make more money if they moved the plant to Mexico and made other changes to make it more "cost effective."

When I heard that, I felt less sad about Saturn's demise.

They interviewed some folks who'd worked at Spring Hill during the glory days and they had many fond memories of actually being a real contributor and the pride they had in working on Saturn.

So I hope that Penske doesn't just buy GM parts and make a Malibu with a different body, which is what a Saturn is now.

[identity profile] hjcallipygian.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
The really ironic thing is that one of the most popular cars in Europe is a Ford turbo-diesel. The company just can't bring them over to the US due to laws here, even though it's something like 40MPG.

[identity profile] ficangel.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I was glad to hear about Saturn, too; I considered getting one after I totaled out my Focus in 2007, but wound up sticking with another Focus since, hey, I was T-boned at sixty in one of them and walked away with bruises and some cuts on my arm from the window breaking. A Saturn Ion or a Toyota Corolla were definitely topping the list for when the new(er) Focus finally kicks it, though, as it's a zippy, gas-sipping little thing, but is next to impossible to keep in alignment on the back end.

[identity profile] a2zmom.livejournal.com 2009-06-07 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
The American car industry is in dire straights in large part because the perception is the cars are not well made. That is no longer true of GM and Ford, but it was true for so long that it's going to be hard to turn things around.
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[identity profile] alicettlg.livejournal.com 2009-06-09 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
My very first brand new car was a Honda Accord! Back in 1993 and I loved that car so much, it drove fantastic, worked perfectly, great gas mileage, I had intended to keep it for years and years but 2 1/2 years in, an idiot ran a red light and the even more idiotic dealership missed $2000 in accident related repairs that they could have profited from. I ended up selling the car and buying a Ford Explorer Sport - mainly to protect me from the idiots on the road and I loved it, I took many a road trip in that car and it was wonderful. I drove that for 10 years till the gas mileage was too painful and then I bought a Toyota Scion XB which I love as much as the Honda and the Explorer.

Before that, for almost 20 years, I drove only used cars that my grandfather had bought and fixed up - he loved Fords best because they were easy to fix and parts were cheap and plentiful although he worked on both American and foreign over the 30 plus years after he retired from the Navy and there was always a car in pieces in his driveway.