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liz_marcs ([personal profile] liz_marcs) wrote2008-03-07 12:22 pm

Obligatory Fannish Squee Post for Battlestar Galactica...as well as for DS9 and Homicide.

Omigawd! This Battlestar Galactica 8-minute "the story so far" had me gasping for breath because I was laughing SO VERY HARD.

What makes it even funnier? It's actually an official promo video.



Goddamn! Is it April 4 yet?

Does Ron Moore smoke the good crack, or what?

Sure, it's crack. Sure, it makes the viewer's head spin around like the chick from The Exorcist, but at least Moore knows how to make it damn entertaining crack. Okay, okay, I admit it...I'm probably one of the few that liked Season 3 (minus the quadrangle of doom) and squeed when the Dylan Four were revealed.

(Please compare to Joss Whedon who tends to just get crack-y when he gets into the crack. I mean, have you read about Dollhouse? I'm beginning to think that Joss Whedon is one of those "nice guys" in desperate need of a hard kick to the curb — you ladies know what I sayin' about, right? He talks a good game, but I'm sensing a pattern that I've called "the creepy misogynistic vibe behind the pro-woman cha-cha-cha" in his body of creative work and I. Don't. Like. It.)


In other fannish squee...Deep Space Nine and Homicide: Life on the Street

I've been getting into this pattern over the past few weeks of "power spinning." You know, where you start marathoning your TV-on-DVDs because you simply can't get enough?

I've pretty much burned through all of my Battlestar Galactica DVDs and am now shaking like a junkie until the Season 3 DVDs show up at my door.

Then, I ended up power-watching all seven seasons of Deep Space Nine. *hangs head* It was like M&Ms. I swear. I've also decided that Kira is my number one favorite character, followed closely by Nog (Vir Kotto Memorial Award Winner).

And now I'm power-watching my way through Homicide: Life on the Street.

Just as a sidenore here, no matter how many times I watch the H:LotS pilot "Gone for Goode," right at the very end I always yell, "Timmy, don't pick up the phone. Don't pick up the phone! NOOOOOOOOOOO! TIMMY!" Then I start to sob.

In power watching my way through H:LotS for the first time since I completed the entire set, I realized something:

I tend to remember more the episodes that feature Meldrick and Kellerman more than I do even Pembleton and Bayliss, which is...odd, considering that Pembleton and Bayliss were my favorite duo during the original broadcast run. Either my affections have shifted, or I just realized how awesome the writing was for Meldrick and Kellerman as characters and as partners.

For example, I just simply adore "Full Moon" from Season 4. I mean, everyone's got their favorite episodes form H:LotS and there are a lot of candidates for episodes that should be number one with a bullet on my list of favorites, "Full Moon" is it for me. If I had to pick "the perfect" H:LotS, I'd show this one without question.

*rubs hands with glee* And I haven't even gotten into the Season 5 Luther Mahoney arc, yet. I mean, I totally squeed when I saw Luther in Season 4's "The Damage Done", but they haven't done more than introduce my favorite fictional drug kingpin of all time.

Also, this time around, I'm actually listening to the commentaries and featurettes. I think this is a case where the less-is-more approach actually works. There isn't much by way of either, but what they have is interesting and very, very revealing.

For example, if you watch the Season 4 featurette, you definitely get the sense that there's no love lost between Ned Beatty and Daniel Baldwin and just about everyone on the H:LotS set and production offices. There was a very definite vibe of "We kind of hoped the door would hit them in the ass on the way out."

It's also pretty clear that the production people and some of the actors thought that S4 and S5 were pretty much the creative height of H:LotS (I agree, but I'd throw S3 in there as well) and that there was big love for the entire cast and crew in that time period. It's interesting that Clark Johnson (who played Meldrick) seems to keep in touch with almost everyone involved in those seasons.

As a side note, in listening to the commentary track for S4's "The Hat" with Clark Johnson and writer Anya Epstein was highly entertaining as well as enlightening. My favorite "Duh!" moment? Johnson keeps talking about how he tried to coach Lilly Tomlin in singing, and how he would die a little inside every time she sang in the episode because she's (apparently) practically tone deaf.

I thought he was kidding.

Turns out that prior to hitting it big with H:LotS, Johnson was a Broadway musical performer and had appeared in several light operas.

*headdesk*

I thought he was kidding. The way Johnson talked about the whole thing with Tomlin led me to believe he was kidding. Turned out he was dead serious about it.

[identity profile] butterflykiki.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I really *should* get into H:LOTS, now that it is over and can not break my heart. Whatever I've seen of it has always been really good, but I suspect it's only about a fourth of the episodes.

I am looking forward to BSG, and watching the clip above when I'm not at work, yays. Heck, having skipped pretty much all of last season? I reallly loved the reveal on the Dylan 4 at the end. *sings All Along the Watchtower* I have my theories about #5. well, I think everyone does...

RE: Joss.
*sigh* And see, my love for Eliza Dushku, and good writing, is fighting... well. The entire premise, really. I mean, yay, breaking out and being empowered and gaining control and all that, but... see, it reminds me of VR.5. (Did anyone else ever watch that?) With our heroine able to go into people's minds and fix their lives, and their was a creepy conspiracy out to get her, and... and... she ended up in a coma at the end of the run. WTH, showrunners? This looks like the same kind of woman-has-abilities-but-no-power set up. The only way this ever ends with the woman in power was La Femme Nikita, and she was miserable. I don't trust this premise.

And I can't trust Joss any more. He's too in love with the Big Pain, of make them like the characters, then make the characters and the audience suffer. The end of AtS would have done it for me if Serenity wouldn't have. I love his universes, but I'm not sure if he should be allowed to have custody of his own characters. I'll watch. ED being in it guarantees that. But. Man.... It sounds like the stuff I hated about the latest Bionic Woman too, with a strong woman who's not allowed to have control of her life, and I am just hoping that I can't predict all the twists and turns before they're taken.

Um. That may have gotten a bit long.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing about H:LotS is that it keeps breaking your heart, although it's more because of the stories and characterizations as opposed to, "Ummmm, did you just slap your viewers in the face?"

Although I own all 7 Seasons, as well as the sequel two-hour movie, if you just want to stick with the "quality" portion of the series, stick with the first 6 Season and don't even bother with Season 7 or the sequel movie. The first 6 seasons will break your heart in a good way (because the stories are so damn good), but the 7th Season and the sequel movie will break your heart in a bad way (as in: "WtF did you do to my show?!?")

I mean, if you thought quality on Buffy plummeted like a rock, that's nothing compared to the drop-off in quality between Season 6 and Season 7 of H:LotS. It was...breath-taking really. And almost all of it due to network interference.

As for Joss...*snort.* I pretty much threw up my hands with him after "Chosen" and it's creepy message (only people with superpowers can do any good in the world, people without need not apply), which was re-enforced by "Never Fade Away" in AtS, I've pretty much washed my hands.

And you're right: Whedon has broken trust with the audience far too many times. If you have to keep giving interview after interview explaining what you really meant when you threw whatever you just threw up out there for Buffy/Angel/Firefly/the last Alien movie/your latest Comic Book gig/Etc., then you've got to start thinking that maybe, just maybe, the audience isn't the issue. It's your writing that's the big ol'problem.

Or as someone pointed out on TwOP: Joss Whedeon under someone else tight creative control = teh awesome. Joss Whedon given complete creative control = teh suxX0rs.

[identity profile] anguisel.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it wrong that I only watch the show everyonce in a while to see the President throw someone in the airlock? I mean, I don't even know there names......

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Heeee! Madame Airlock rocks hard.
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
no matter how many times I watch the H:LotS pilot "Gone for Goode," right at the very end I always yell, "Timmy, don't pick up the phone. Don't pick up the phone! NOOOOOOOOOOO! TIMMY!" Then I start to sob.

I do the same exact thing. Man. What a show.

And Full Moon is an AWESOME episode, though I am also exceptionally fond of The Hat. S4 Mikey-n-Meldrick hold a special place in my heart. Sigh.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Just the whole seedy vibe of "Full Moon" and the John Water-esque feel to the characters makes me giddy. I think that's the episode I've re-watched the most. The others that come close is "The Hat," "Three Men and Adena" (just to let the sheer acting power carry me away), "Crosetti" (*sniff* Pembleton!), "Stakeout," and "The Damage Done."

Of course, I just got my hands on S4-S7 and the sequel movie, so it makes sense that all my repeat watchers are from the first three seasons. Now I'm powerwatching the whole thing and...

My God! How did I forget that the music choices for the show were knock-me-with a feather fantastic?

[identity profile] szandara.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee on the Kira and Nog love. We're on Season 4 of DS9 and loving it...I noticed last night that the ep we were watching was written by none other than Jane Espenson.

Joss....I'm not crazy about the premise of Dollhouse, but I'm hoping the writing will be good enough to make it worth watching. Joss does love to make his creations suffer--a little like Sid in Toy Story, maybe?

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Heee! And this is before Nog's character really takes off.

And, oh my oh my, The Visitor from S4 just makes me weep like a little girl every. single. time. The scary thing? The actor who played "adult Jake" in that episode also plays Worf's Klingon brother.

There are lots and lots of really good episodes in Season 4 as they keep building and building to the breakout of all-out war. They do a fantastic job balancing the stand-alones with the mytharc in this season — which was the result of many, many bloody battles with Paramount as it turns out.

[identity profile] invisionary.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Homicide is love. The first four seasons are pure gold, S5 is still very good, and the last two seasons still have some great moments despite their problems.

And since you're a fan, I'd strongly recommend that you check out The Wire, which is by David Simon (he wrote the book Homicide was based on, and did some writing/producing for the show as well). That show is probably the closest thing I've seen to perfection on TV.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I own Simon's book (Awesome book!), Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets. It's a fantastic look at a working homicide unit, and YAY! Balitmore police department for letting him ride along for a year, even though he was still a Baltimore Sun reporter.

I even forced a friend of mine in Baltimore to take me around to the sites where they filmed last time I visited. Heee! I started squeeing my ass off as we walked around Fells Point and the waterfront.

*i'm a sad, sad little fangirl*

I'm so going to have to netflix The Wire and Oz because I need to see both of these shows. I mean, I need to see them like some people need oyxgen. In fact, I think the first season of the The Wire is next on my Netflix list.

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[personal profile] herself_nyc 2008-03-07 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Great post, and thanks for linking to that vid. I really needed the refresher.
And oh how I adore Clark Johnson.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Clark Johnson is totally the man. Incredibly smart, as well. He wanted to get into directing, and was smart enough in S4 to go to the Fontana and company and ask to do it. He turned into one of the more popular directors in their ongoing stable with "Oz" and "The Wire." It's sad he's not doing more acting, but according to what I've read about him, he seems to prefer directing by a slight edge over acting.

[identity profile] anelith.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
That was an absolutely INCREDIBLE vid! Whoo!

And a great refresher to my bad memory too...

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I live to amuse. :-)

[identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, H:LoTS. Still my favorite TV show EVER. So much love for Pembleton ("We speak for the dead, because they can't speak for themselves" - which I think Gil Grissom plagiarized on CSI, didn't he?). And Tim Bayliss, who got me saying "That's my 11 cents," the way most people say "That's my 2 cents". And Meldrick and Mikey - oh god, I loved those two.

So I can get this on DVD now? All seasons? *is hopeful*

I think my favorite arc was early on, the one about poor little Adena Watson (?).

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
All of the seasons have been available as box sets for quite awhile now. I managed to get quite a few of them second hand over the years. I think they're now available in one big box set, which may have driven down the price of the original box sets.

Seriously, get the book Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets by David Simon (it's the book the show was based on). It's really fantastic, and it's a lot of fun to see where some of the story arcs came from.

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[identity profile] lizziebelle.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That was frakking awesome!

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[identity profile] callmesandy.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Clark Johnson is so fucking sexy. I mean, I say I love his brain, his voice, and I mean it. Sigh. So sad that he prefers to direct and not just act 24/7. In my living room. And we'd talk about books and ...

I'm stopping now.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
No, no, no...don't let me interrupt your fantasy.

*fantasizes with you*

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[identity profile] sneaker328.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, if the actual show had even half that amount of humor, I might have stuck around after the first season. Very cute.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Moore doesn't actually do humor well. All of the DS9 episodes that he wrote that had humor in them tended to have a co-writer involved. At least he knows his weaknesses on that score, so I give him a lot of credit for owning up to it.

[identity profile] hobgoblinn.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
But-- wait. Weren't you, like, reviewing all the DS9 episodes???

*weeps sadly at the loss*

Ah well, I'll have to rewatch the last 3 season which is all I own. Certainly not getting back out in the white Death now. I was a moron and tried to go to my doubtless-soon-to-no-longer-be job. In my defense, it was clear when I left. Took me a couple of hours to get home. And Cincinnati drivers Scare me. Seriously.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
I meant to keep going with those (I probably will.) But I started watching while I was feeling under the weather, you see, and it snowballed out of control.

[identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I am halfway through Season one in my DS9 marathon; I don't have time to do more than one or two eps at a sitting these days, but I am going to have a whole day of nothing but DS9 watching one day soon. I love the way Nog's character was allowed to mature and grow.
Is it April yet? Can't wait for the new episodes of BSG to start.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Sitting down and marathoning them works surprisingly well (probably better than marathoning Next Gen which was more episodic), especially when you get into S5 and S6 with the actual war arc and the Federation is getting its collective ass kicked by first the Klingons and then the Dominion.

Please, I'm counting down the days to April. Seriously.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I think you mean, "What the frak!?!"

Seriously, it's easy to forget how crack-y BSG can be at times, until you see it condensed in 8 minutes.

[identity profile] smhwpf.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Aah, I have just tonight finished my complete rewatch of DS9! Kira has always been my favourite character.

On the Nog front, have you got back round to The siege of AR-558 and It's only a paper moon yet? Awesome eps. And quite a brave move for a show like this showing someone coming back from war minus a limb (albeit, this being the 24th C, with a prosthetic), and not OK and brave about it, but badly broken and PTSD'd.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, dear God yes! It was great that they went there with Nog.

I also love the fact that Worf was pretty much in mourning for Jadzia through most of S7 and didn't recover in a matter of weeks. Plus, the fact that Jake not only didn't join Starfleet like dear old dad, but in the one time he was forced to be on the frontlines screwed up so royally (I think it was "...Nor the Battle Strong" in S5.)

Plus, I love that Chief O'Brien and Keiko were not the perfect happy couple, and that not everyone got along and....

Okay, I'll stop now.

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[identity profile] silly-dan.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
There seems to be a burgeoning mini-genre of short recaps of TV series. I've seen The Sopranos in nine minutes and a Lost recap which sounds like it was narrated by the same woman who did the BSG recap.

Agree with you on Dollhouse: probably won't bother to make time in my schedule to watch it.

Full Moon Fever

[identity profile] nocturnalista.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
If Full Moon was the ep with the "murder" in the sleazy hotel with all the interesting characters, that was absolutely my favorite episode. It was such a small story and so well told. Beautiful stuff. It cemented Meldrick and Kellerman as my favorites.

Also, the BSG 8 minutes was hysterical and brilliant.

[identity profile] nwhepcat.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
That recap was awesomeness. I laughed loud and hard at "a bun in the toaster."

Oh, and I adore H:LotS. I got the complete boxed set when it was massively on sale (as in just over $100) right at the time I got an unexpected check for the same amount. I've worked my way to S7. Tim was totally my woobie on the first watching of the series, but I've been interested to see how often he annoys the shit out of me now. (I love Frank doing the grilled cheese thing to him, and how Tim sees it as an apology. Hee.) Yeah, Meldrick wears very very well....

I wanted Clark Johnson to play one of my 3 favorite characters from my baseball novel, when I was fantasy-casting. I'm not that much of a commentary-track listener, but I'll definitely listen to him talk about "The Hat." And I had no idea he was a singer too. That and a CFL player. Is there anything he can't do?
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[personal profile] lynnenne 2008-03-08 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
Starbuck and Apollo like each other, so they beat each other up.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Joss Whedon

[identity profile] madripoor-rose.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
So totally agree with you on this. Dollhouse sounds CREEPY...and well...X-Men fan. I loved what he did with Astonishing X Men up to the recent spoiler redacted and I just knew he was going to go back to his stack of dramatic cliches. I hoped for better.

[identity profile] grey-bard.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
I'm... hoping he takes the Dollhouse thing and subverts it, somehow turns it in on itself and makes the mind-wiping bastards pay, then has the non-evil characters go on to do something cool. However, I don't hold out much hope for it. Until I find out either way, I'm not watching it. I have enough real world nightmares.

I think Joss likes women and doesn't *want* to be misogynist, but he really doesn't bother to take a hard dispassionate look at his subconscious and some of what he actually creates - and boy, sometimes he needs to.

(Anonymous) 2008-03-08 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
I wont get in into H:LOTS (what a nice acronym) cause it will pale in comparison to the David Simon project The Wire. And no cop drama is in the same league.

[identity profile] skipp-of-ark.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
H:LotS = Love.

Call me weird, but in hindsight, I call Nog "Xander done right." Nog's the Kid from the Wrong Side of the Tracks or the Kid from the Disreputable Family, which means he's got a few rough edges and gets judged harshly at first. Only it turns out he's smarter than he's given credit for, he's basically good-hearted, he's got a few things to learn, but give him the chance to step up and you won't be sorry, you'll be surprised and proud.

Agree that Joss has broken trust far too many times. I think there's a basic disconnect between how Joss sees the world and people and how the rest of the human race sees it, only he's incapable of understanding that there are other, valid viewpoints besides his.

[identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com 2008-03-08 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Power watching all seven seasons. Oh yeah!

The scifi promo was indeed hysterical!

[identity profile] pfeffermuse.livejournal.com 2008-03-13 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'd started power-watching The Dick Van Dyke Show, finished up to series three. Now, I'm on a DS9 kick, I'm up to the third disc of series two.

And I agree, I love both Kira and Nog -- I was so happy when Nog entered Star Fleet. Also, I love the way the Julian Bashir character matured over the course of the programme.

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