I.E. Both statements can be boiled down to: "This isn't allowed. You should do X thing that isn't what you actually want to do instead. Then everyone will be happy, and when I say everyone, I mean, 'everyone but you.'"
YES!!! That's it exactly. I was trying to sort out if there were other similarities. Or rather, if the several similarities had anything connecting them besides rhetoric patterns, if there was a similarity in understanding of them that causes similar reactions.
I expected some backlash by phrasing it baldly instead of spending a lot of tl;dr giving background and making disclaimers. But I didn't know what shape the backlash would be in, nor which part(s) would be considered offensive.
I'd say using the f-word multiple times when replying to someone in a deliberately insulting way could, for the purposes of debate, be considered a flame.
So could, presumably, telling someone that their existence is an "offense against the the world." But since that happened at about the same time it got sent to fandom_wank, I still agree with Liz's statement that this has not been a flamewar.
many, many people are so angry/horrified/dumbfounded at the implied trivializing of LGTB rights
I saw that. That's why I removed the posts from public view. (You missed nothing, by the way, except for a few people agreeing that it was a good analogy, and a couple saying it was a bit stretched. Apparently, nobody's willing to say STFU WHAT ARE YOU THINKING in my journal.)
That... I'm not sure what to do about. On the one hand, I don't want to disregard or trivialize the LGTB rights struggles. On the other, I don't want to ignore their connections to other issues--like feminism, or the puritanical ethic that tries to squash all forms of sexuality that aren't "within marriage, missionary position, for the purpose of producing a child." Or the forms of self-expression that are met with open hostility and discrimination, in the same way that some will say "well, gays are okay, but do they have to allow those freaky drag queens? Can't they just be quiet?"
And right now, I'm not sure if it'd be more wanky to leave the posts hidden, or open them back up for comment.
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YES!!! That's it exactly.
I was trying to sort out if there were other similarities. Or rather, if the several similarities had anything connecting them besides rhetoric patterns, if there was a similarity in understanding of them that causes similar reactions.
I expected some backlash by phrasing it baldly instead of spending a lot of tl;dr giving background and making disclaimers. But I didn't know what shape the backlash would be in, nor which part(s) would be considered offensive.
I'd say using the f-word multiple times when replying to someone in a deliberately insulting way could, for the purposes of debate, be considered a flame.
So could, presumably, telling someone that their existence is an "offense against the the world." But since that happened at about the same time it got sent to fandom_wank, I still agree with Liz's statement that this has not been a flamewar.
many, many people are so angry/horrified/dumbfounded at the implied trivializing of LGTB rights
I saw that. That's why I removed the posts from public view. (You missed nothing, by the way, except for a few people agreeing that it was a good analogy, and a couple saying it was a bit stretched. Apparently, nobody's willing to say STFU WHAT ARE YOU THINKING in my journal.)
That... I'm not sure what to do about. On the one hand, I don't want to disregard or trivialize the LGTB rights struggles. On the other, I don't want to ignore their connections to other issues--like feminism, or the puritanical ethic that tries to squash all forms of sexuality that aren't "within marriage, missionary position, for the purpose of producing a child." Or the forms of self-expression that are met with open hostility and discrimination, in the same way that some will say "well, gays are okay, but do they have to allow those freaky drag queens? Can't they just be quiet?"
And right now, I'm not sure if it'd be more wanky to leave the posts hidden, or open them back up for comment.