I had to get up from the computer keyboard and walk away after reading this.
Here's what I'm getting from you:
That you were deliberately disingenuous from beginning to end. You knew you made a bad-faith argument from the start. You've been defending that bad-faith argument to the point where people are getting insulted and offended by your arguments.
And...you don't actually believe any of it? Am I reading that correct?
What's more, you made that bad-faith argument because you couldn't be arsed to use that creativity you've been touting in other conversational threads to actually come up with a good-faith argument?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Furthermore, disagreement =/= flamewar. Everyone here has been reasonably polite to you, even if they think your argument is batshit insane. It hasn't even come close to flaming. No one commenting here would flame you because they know my one rule:
"You can argue, debate, even get heated. But flaming will result in freezing the thread and a warning from moi."
As a result, I have not put the kibosh on anything you've posted here, even if I really, really think you are way off in left field. No one has called you names, or erupted into nastiness over some of your more creative arguments.
You have not been flamed. This is not flaming. Flaming is not when someone (or a whole fuckload of someones) disagrees with you. And flaming is not conducive to communication. It is, in fact, conducive to pissing people the hell off, which pretty much cuts off communication of any kind.
And you are not discovering any core issues of anything. Do you even realize that? Everyone is pretty much focused on the fact that your analogy sucks if you're making an argument in favor of fanfiction or the OTW or whateverthehell you're actually arguing for.
What really blows my mind is that almost every single person who has responded to this post writes fanfiction and is heavily involved in fandom. This is actually the fucking choir. If anyone's going to agree with you, it's the people responding right here. And we think your argument is insane.
What is there to suss out here?
Furthermore, read up and down all of the responses to this thread. If your goal is to get people thinking about the OTW in positive terms, you've failed. Spectacularly. Your arguments and your defense thereof has pretty much focused on your bad-faith analogy. Of all the people discussing this, exactly three people have even discussed the OTW in-depth. That number includes you and me, by the way. And the third person hasn't been convinced by your arguments either and isn't sure the OTW is a good idea.
So, yeah. Good job there. Way to achieve your goal.
Jesus, did you do even the littest bit of debating in high school? You're using sucky tactics. If you want to convince anyone of anything (and I can't stress this enough), taking a fucking step back from the computer and think about your argument before you post something that you know is a bad-faith argument.
Look, I don't have a problem with people discussing whatever on my journal. It is a communication medium and I'm a big believer in the two-way conversation (or three-way, or four-way, or whatever-way).
But at least make a good faith argument if you're arguing something you believe. Stop defending something you know is a bad argument.
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Here's what I'm getting from you:
That you were deliberately disingenuous from beginning to end. You knew you made a bad-faith argument from the start. You've been defending that bad-faith argument to the point where people are getting insulted and offended by your arguments.
And...you don't actually believe any of it? Am I reading that correct?
What's more, you made that bad-faith argument because you couldn't be arsed to use that creativity you've been touting in other conversational threads to actually come up with a good-faith argument?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Furthermore, disagreement =/= flamewar. Everyone here has been reasonably polite to you, even if they think your argument is batshit insane. It hasn't even come close to flaming. No one commenting here would flame you because they know my one rule:
"You can argue, debate, even get heated. But flaming will result in freezing the thread and a warning from moi."
As a result, I have not put the kibosh on anything you've posted here, even if I really, really think you are way off in left field. No one has called you names, or erupted into nastiness over some of your more creative arguments.
You have not been flamed. This is not flaming. Flaming is not when someone (or a whole fuckload of someones) disagrees with you. And flaming is not conducive to communication. It is, in fact, conducive to pissing people the hell off, which pretty much cuts off communication of any kind.
And you are not discovering any core issues of anything. Do you even realize that? Everyone is pretty much focused on the fact that your analogy sucks if you're making an argument in favor of fanfiction or the OTW or whateverthehell you're actually arguing for.
What really blows my mind is that almost every single person who has responded to this post writes fanfiction and is heavily involved in fandom. This is actually the fucking choir. If anyone's going to agree with you, it's the people responding right here. And we think your argument is insane.
What is there to suss out here?
Furthermore, read up and down all of the responses to this thread. If your goal is to get people thinking about the OTW in positive terms, you've failed. Spectacularly. Your arguments and your defense thereof has pretty much focused on your bad-faith analogy. Of all the people discussing this, exactly three people have even discussed the OTW in-depth. That number includes you and me, by the way. And the third person hasn't been convinced by your arguments either and isn't sure the OTW is a good idea.
So, yeah. Good job there. Way to achieve your goal.
Jesus, did you do even the littest bit of debating in high school? You're using sucky tactics. If you want to convince anyone of anything (and I can't stress this enough), taking a fucking step back from the computer and think about your argument before you post something that you know is a bad-faith argument.
Look, I don't have a problem with people discussing whatever on my journal. It is a communication medium and I'm a big believer in the two-way conversation (or three-way, or four-way, or whatever-way).
But at least make a good faith argument if you're arguing something you believe. Stop defending something you know is a bad argument.