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liz_marcs ([personal profile] liz_marcs) wrote2007-08-17 01:25 pm

Dear Canada...Why Haven't You Invaded Yet? (Please Hurry...*waves Maple Leaf flag*)

It was a bad day for U.S. citizens who still believe the U.S. Constitution and its attendant Bill of Rights means something, namely those of us who really kind of like Amendment 4:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


This amendment is one of the hooks upon which "the right to privacy" hangs. The others are the Third Amendment (civilians do not have to quarter soldiers if they don't want to, even if there's a war going on), Amendment Five (you can't take away someone's liberty without giving them their day in court and the government can't just take your crap without paying you for it), and Amendment Nine (the government can't ever assume that they've got the right to mess with basic human rights — then known as "liberty, life and the pursuit of happiness" — even if the Constitution doesn't strictly say the government can't do that).

Yesterday, word finally got out that residents of those states that refuse to comply with the Real ID Act of 2005 will have to start carrying their international passports around if they want to enter federal buildings, national parks, or take domestic airline flights. (More on it here).

And by the way, most states are fighting it tooth and nail. And we're not just talking the Blue States, like, oh, the People's Republic of Massachusetts. If you look at that map, you'll see that it's almost every state in the U.S. have come down on the side of being refuseniks.



Part of the resistance is because the states are going to be stuck footing most of the bill for this boondoggle of a program. Quite a few people have pretty much figured out that Real ID isn't going to do a damn bit of good stopping any crime at all, be it the big scary people with really long last names that are spelled funny and Mean Us Harm, or the big scary Brown People sneaking into the worker's paradise that is the U.S. of A., or the big scary Bicycle Thief making off with junior's tricycle in the dead of night.

Another part of the resistance is because the program is a massive, massive invasion of privacy perpetrated on the citizenry for no good reason at all. Well, that's not entirely true. Some good will come out of this. It'll now be so much easier for someone to steal your identity, for a start. It'll also be a hell of a lot easier for the feds to track your sorry ass, so that'll be good for the feds. It'll also be an absolute boon to people selling fake IDs since they'll be making a shitload more money.

Oh. Joy.

So, there it is. The U.S. is slowly, but surely, entering into a phase where residents of refusenik states will be forced to carry an international passport like we're visiting from the U.K....or Mars. If we want to fly from Massachusetts to California (and back again); if we need to visit our local social security office in that federal building just downtown; or even if we want to visit Yellowstone National Park, we have to make damn sure we have our papers because otherwise, comrade, we won't be allowed to do any of that.

And, is it me or does anyone else find it insulting that the U.S. government has decided that its own citizens have to carry what is basically the modern of equivalent of "our papers" to prove that we're not Terrorists Who Hate Ourselves for Our Freedom? Talk about fear of your own citizenry, hunh? All I know is that when governments start acting like this, it is most definitely Not A Good Sign.

And here's another thought: I practically live in the middle of a National Park. Half of Salem and a good chunk of Boston fall under the National Park Service. These are fairly populous areas. Isn't it going to be, y'know, impossible to enforce? I mean, Boston is just freakin' huge, and it's a Global City.

So how is this supposed to work?

I mean, do you have any idea what's going to happen if they try to enforce this Real-ID-where's-your-papers-comrade crap in Boston?

Just imagine your typical working-class Southie family entertaining guests from out of town by doing the whole Freedom Trail (all of which is under the National Park Service). Hey, most of those sites are free, so it's far more likely than you think.

Now, just imagine a Park Ranger asking the Southie family for their "papers" as they're about to walk onto, say, Bunker Hill.

The resulting blow-up will make the Boston Massacre look like a kindergarten brawl. And that's before the entire weight of the Massachusetts Political Machine, neighborhood shit-stirrers, the Irish Mob, and civil libertarians get involved.


The other thing that has me riled is this: a passport in the U.S. costs $97, not including the cost of the photo. Therefore, if you live in a refusenik state and you plan to ever get on an airplane, go to a national park, or walk into a federal building, you gotta put up almost $100...per person. And you've got one year to comply.

Good luck, poor people! Hope you don't gotta travel anywhere...or have a burning need to visit the Social Security Office, because if you don't have that international passport starting next year you are boned.

Let me be clear: I blame the feds for this crap, and I'm totally on the refusenik state's side.

Real ID is intrusive. Real ID is an invasion of privacy. Real ID basically puts all your personal information (Social Security numbers, birth certificates, birthdays...in short, every data point that exists about you) into one handy-dandy document for easy access by both the federal government and identity thieves.

Frankly, I don't feel like making it that easy for the federal government to stick its snoot into my business. And I don't like the assumption that unless I'm willing to open my entire life for inspection that I must be hiding something Evil and Bad.

Fuck you. It's my life. It's my business. And I'm not giving it up because someone, somewhere is wetting the bed over People with Funny Names, Brown People with Foreign Names, and Liberals with Weird Ideas About Personal Freedom.

[For more on the problems with Real ID, this Web site from the American Civil Liberties Union is fairly comprehensive.]


X-posted to IJ and GJ

[identity profile] docjeff.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
You said it better than I did but if I have to have my passport to do all these interesting and fun thing (*cough*) then so be it.

An acquaintance pointed out to me yesterday that private pilots with their own planes don't have to show ID (or passport) to anyone to get aloft. I'm thinking it's time for a private cab-cum-airline to take over...

[identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, damn, I'm glad we've got our own airplane...

Although we just visited Glacier National Park, and I don't remember having to fork over ID for it.

[identity profile] dawnmipb.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude.

Idaho has passed a resolution stating this state will not comply.

I hate this state a tiny bit less today.

Thank you.

[identity profile] nwhepcat.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
This makes an interesting conflict for End-Times loving fundamentalists who fear being forced to wear The Mark of the Beast and love George W. Bush.

[identity profile] tzi.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
My thoughts exactly. o_O

[identity profile] mitfordgal.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
There are a couple episodes of the West Wing that make fun of Canada and specifically our lack of military "stuff". I remember CJ saying once that if Canada goes into battle, don't they just stand at the border and throw maple syrup? And there was another really funny comment but it escapes me.

As a Canadian, I'm proud that we don't have a huge military arsenol. Where I live, I put in money to buy a paper, open the door and take it out, see my friend wanting one too and so I close it up, put in the money and open it for him. So our chances of coming to get you are very slim, I'm afraid. You'd probably have more luck with Hugh Laurie and the British.

[identity profile] alainn-mactire.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't hold your breath...the UK is introducing a very similar scheme (that I'm 110% against), only here, hardly anyone seems to have noticed :o(

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(Anonymous) 2007-08-17 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
The sad thing is that most of the states that have passed laws against this are motivated not by outrage at the invasion of privacy but by outrage at having to pay the costs.

By the way, Canada isn't going to invade. No one sane and intelligent would ever want to try governing Americans. As proof, look at the current resident of 1600 Penn.

Vandrvekn

(Anonymous) 2007-08-18 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
You stole my line.... Although I'm not sure I'd refer to us as sane and intelligent. But then, I live in Quebec.

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(Anonymous) 2007-08-17 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey don't be sorry there is always al-quada or whatever...
Since Bush took over,your country and the world have been constantly getting screwed over...Maybe it's a trend..Who knows?

[identity profile] ljmouse.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for saying this. This whole thing is very troubling to me as well ...

Also, there are people who can't GET a passport. I have a friend who is transgendered and was denied a passport because her birth certificate shows she's a guy and her driver's license shows she's female. The state she was born in refuses to amend her birth certificate, and since she's had a sex change her driver's license is correct ... so she's stuck and the feds won't give her a passport. This meant she couldn't go to Worldcon a few years back.

So what's she going to do when/if they try to require an internal passport?

And -- I can so easily see this being used for political reasons. Say you're a loud, obnoxious protester. You get yourself arrested a few times, or you're simply on a government "watch list" because the government doesn't like your views, or you're associating with "known seditionists" or whatever. The government puts you on a list of people who are "security risks" ... and denies you a passport. And so you can't travel, or set foot on federal property.

I could comment a bit more on this, but I'd sound like a raving nutcase or a paranoid person.

Leva

[identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
It isn't paranoia when they are out to get you. When Nixon's boy John Dean is writing books about the totalitarian takeover of the US (Conservatives Without Conscience), things are pretty bad.

In fact, things are a lot worse than most people realize. The "Patriot" act pretty much gave Bush a blank check to destroy the Constitution, and he's been doing just that.

[identity profile] heliophile-oxon.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing I've always rather admired about US-ians (speaking as a Bush-loathing Brit, I should perhaps clarify) is that you don't tend to lie down quietly for this kind of thing. May I (much too quietly) say Yay refuseniks, and we could do with a bit more of that attitude over here in the face of our own government's plans for an ever-so-handy, portable, expensive, your-record-handed-over-on-a-plate-to-anyone-with-access-to-a-reader ID card :(

[identity profile] alainn-mactire.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I couldn't agree more (as another Bush-loathing Brit) :o)
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[personal profile] jjhunter 2007-08-17 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I should have known you were also a Bostonian.

Thank you for posting this!
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[identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I never understood why passports are so much. Especially the $30 tax that goes to the State Department for the "privilege" for stepping foot out of the country - or, now, just entering our own country.

But this bunk about needing it to enter federally run areas is insane.
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[identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
And on a less serious note, can the hypothetical family kick off the dust up outside the Old State House? Not just the historical parallels, but the people getting on and off the subway, the pedestrians, and the car traffic would seem more tense than tourists in a park. Especially if The Man is trying to slam them for the National park thing all day long just living their lives.
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[personal profile] wolfshark 2007-08-17 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for laying it all out like this. I didn't even know about it - how sad is that?

I've linked to this on my journal in order to pass the word, and I'll be calling my congress critters next week about it.

[identity profile] nidoking.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
As a Federal employee, I've got my own Federal-issued ID, which I will hopefully be able to use if the Indiana license doesn't comply, and I sure hope it never does. We're not supposed to use these IDs for any purpose other than entering a military installation, and we're not even supposed to let people know that we have them, but I'm not paying for a passport unless I plan to leave the country.

We need to look into marriage laws and see whether they require name changes... sounds like a name change is just a horrible idea anymore.

(Anonymous) 2007-08-17 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
"Dear Canada...Why Haven't You Invaded Yet? (Please Hurry...*waves Maple Leaf flag*)"

The reason we haven't taken over yet is so simple I've seen it on a t-shirt:

"And on the eighth day God created Beer and prevented Canadians from taking over the world."


[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
My daughter has pointed out that she needs to carry her passport to travel on UK internal flights these days.

Which means that I couldn't get onto a plane even if I wanted to, as I don't have a passport. And I don't have a passport because I've not been anywhere to need one for a very long time.... lets hope they don't suddenly introduce the same rule for boat journeys or I might get stuck on the mainland for life!

[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
When did this happen? Last I checked official photo ID (like a drivers license) was okay.

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[identity profile] brigidsblest.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yesterday, word finally got out that residents of those states that refuse to comply with the Real ID Act of 2005 will have to start carrying their international passports around if they want to enter federal buildings, national parks, or take domestic airline flights.

Federal buildings. The post office is a Federal building.

*sarcasm on* Fortunately, this law won't affect me, because my state--Indiana--hasn't refused to enact the Real ID program. *sarcasm off*

Bunch of yellow-bellied morons. The elected officials where I live just rolled over and show Bush their throats like always.

[identity profile] chriself.livejournal.com 2007-08-21 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
The post office is a Federal building

this is funny because the only place nearby to get a passport is the post office. so you see the dilemma. If I can't get into the post office to apply for a passport because I don't have a passport.....

[identity profile] sailorcelestial.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess I need to watch CNN and/or the news more often... >.>

WOW. I'm starting to hope the world DOES end in 2012....

[identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Don't watch CNN--it's owned by Time-Warner, and is very nearly Bush's official propaganda station.

There are only 3 places I've seen real news: Countdown, with Keith Olberman, on MSNBC, C-span, which just shows what's going on.. and the Daily Show/Colbert Report. There's more real news on Jon Stewart's satire show than you'll ever see on CNN or Faux News.

[identity profile] serenanna.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm confused. If my state doesn't comply, I gotta use a passport and not my state ID? Am I reading that right?

This is kind of ironic since I'm one hour from Center City, Philadelphia, and the number one thing every out-of-state visitor I have wants to do is seen Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell, plus Betsy Ross's house, Elkin's Alley, etc. This past weekend my family went through Valley Forge National Park, which people from the local area use for biking and jogging along with the chapel right in the middle of the park which isn't government property.

Not to mention Gettysburg is only a 3 to 4 hour drive away, and Steamtown, the national railroad museum is up in Scranton, PA.

I can see why my state wouldn't want to pass it since tourism to those sites is the main income for Philly and most of PA.

[identity profile] yaochi.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
For your entertainment: Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/)

[identity profile] fantasyenabler.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I've been saying for years that what we really need is another Constitutional Convention, that the two party system is broken, and that the current federal bureaucracy is so incompetent, being evil is beyond its capabilities. It has to be able to do *something* effectively before it can reach out into items of true right or wrong.

Thus, I think it's time for another change in government. I've tried voting third party for as long as I can remember, but apparently there aren't enough of us to make a difference. So what we need is a national meeting where we can alter the way we nominate and elect our illustrious officials.

Anybody out there willing to host the revolution? :)
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[identity profile] jennem.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I've been saying for years that what we really need is another Constitutional Convention, that the two party system is broken, and that the current federal bureaucracy is so incompetent, being evil is beyond its capabilities.

I don't disagree. But, the thought of another Constitutional Conventions freaks me the fuck out - mostly because of who would be participating in it and making a new one. [shudder]

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[identity profile] norwegianne.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not getting involved in a lenghty discussion about the idiocy of US politics... especially when I'm tired.

Just a point: You think you have expensive passports? Norwegian passports for adults currently cost (calculated currency into US) $166 for a new one. Norwegian newschannel TV2 reported a few years back that they hadn't found any passports that were more expensive. Of course, if one should get a cheap passport, at $22, Spain is definitely the country to be a citizen of.



[identity profile] diachrony.livejournal.com 2007-08-17 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't even *have* a passport. Frig ... I'd better at least get one of those.

This is so effing insane, it's hard to believe. Augh.

[identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, what idiot thought this up?

As a Republican for getting big government out of my business I object strenuously. I've lived in a country where "papers" were required. It's not something I want to see in my country.

[identity profile] a2zmom.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
And the move to a police state continues apace.

[identity profile] fierydream.livejournal.com 2007-08-18 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
No offense - but as a Malaysian, I've carried a national ID card since I was twelve, an international passport since I was five, and have not had problems with either. It's not that big a deal to me. *shrug*

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