liz_marcs: Jeff and Annie in Trobed's bathroom during Remedial Chaos Theory (Contrite Xander)
liz_marcs ([personal profile] liz_marcs) wrote2004-06-21 10:54 pm

FIC: Contrite Spirits (Pt. 2)

Continued from here





Faith hops off her perch with a grin. “C’mon. I could do some more exploring. You game? Or is your head going to explode if we go back inside?”

“So what’s the deal with your miracle statue?” he asks as he falls into step next to her.

“It’s supposed to be a healing deal,” Faith vaguely says. “Not too clear on the details, but I remember my mom talking about it once. She was big on saints. You name it; she knew what saint was for what. Supposedly St. Anne is one of those saints that heal people and this,” her hand sweeps the expanse of the cathedral’s stone wall, “is like one of her main churches.” The Slayer stops and tilts her head, eyes narrowing in thought. “It’s funny.”

“What is?”

Faith’s mouth tics. “Mom hung out in the Boston area her entire life. But me? I’ve been all over. Even made it out of the country to Canada.” She gives Xander a friendly nudge. “Not as far as Africa, though. If I got that far, I’d be talking about it all the time. How come you never do?”

He doesn’t? He could swear…no. He just thinks about it a lot, but he never talks about it. He wasn’t unhappy. He wasn’t happy. He just was. He saw a lot. He learned a lot. He’s just not entirely sure what, if anything, it was supposed to mean. He knows that when Giles asked him to come back, he agreed it was time to return and face painfully familiar faces. But once he landed at Heathrow, he had to deal with the reality that he didn’t really have anywhere to call home and that familiar faces were nowhere to be seen. What he got instead is an apartment in London that he doesn’t actually live in, a partner he’s still not sure is a good fit given both their histories, and a load of uncertainty that he didn’t seem to have when all he had was him.

“I don’t know,” Xander finally admits. “I guess I just don’t want to bore people.”

Faith chuckles at that. “If you got more stories like the one you just told, trust me, I won’t get bored hearing about Africa any time soon.”

Something inside him shies away from the invitation. He knows why and it’s nothing to do with boring people. Telling stories would mean making himself vulnerable and he just can’t do it, especially not for Faith. Instead of taking her up on the offer, he says, “We going in to take a closer look at this statue or not?”

Faith studies him a moment before saying, “Yeah. Okay.”

Just as they reach the door Xander asks, “So how does it work?”

“What work?”

“The statue.”

Faith’s forehead scrunches. “You ask her, I guess.”

“Guess?”

“This ain’t spell-time with Willow-ween, you know,” Faith sounds irritated. “No chanting, no dancing naked, and definitely no killing furry things.”

“Hey,” Xander responds with irritation of his own, “I didn’t figure it was like that. I was just wondering if there was a special prayer or something. I’m not completely clueless on the religion front. And I resent the implication we killed fury things whenever Willow cast a spell.”

“Couldda fooled me,” Faith says shortly as she opens the door.

Xander squelches a response and curses himself for being an idiot. Two things people should never talk about: politics and religion. Of course, as far as Faith is concerned, he should add anything and everything as a third category to avoid talking about.

When they walk into the cathedral they’re behind the statue, or rather the gold sunburst backing. In a fit of childish pique, he decides the metalwork is definitely over-the-top.

“I’m gonna check out the other altars.” Faith still sounds annoyed, although her voice has dropped to a whisper.

“Altars?” he asks. “Plural? As in more than one?”

Faith jerks her head at the passageway the tourists went into earlier. “They’re behind the main one.”

Now that Faith’s pointed it out, he can see the row of tiny altars laid side by side as they stretch along the length of the passageway and curve out of sight behind the main altar. He’s bothered that the passageway is shadowed, thanks to instinct honed by almost nine years’ worth of experience as Xander Harris, the klutzy vampire hunter. If he weren’t in a church, he’d pull out the silver cross Giles gave him the night before he went to Africa from under his shirt and slip the stake concealed in his jacket sleeve into his right hand.

What are you worried about? You got an actual experienced Slayer with you. If there’s something lurking back there, she’s not going to run off and leave you to feed the baddies.

Hunh. He wonders when he realized that about Faith.

Xander follows Faith as she pads into the passageway. She pauses at each altar and studies it with a practiced eye. He has to admit they are fascinating to look at, if only because they’re such a contrast from the altar in the main cathedral. Here in these nooks Jesus seems to be an afterthought. This is about whatever saint the altar happens to be dedicated to.

If he could figure out who was whom and the stories behind each, he could probably guess which small god was hiding behind the respectable mask. If he couldn’t guess, then Willow’d probably be able to figure it out. If Willow didn’t know, then Giles definitely would.

He’s almost tempted to ask Faith, but decides against it. Crazy African gods are one thing, but he suspects suggesting that the saints in this church may be anything other than what Faith believes them to be would be just a step too far for the Slayer to take.

When they reach one particular altar, Faith draws a deep, surprised breath and steps back against him. He immediately wants to push her away, but the accidental full-body contact is the most warmth he’s felt since Sunnydale died.

True, there was that UN relief worker in Central Africa he was with for a month; a woman he found out was married when her husband turned up out of the clear blue African skies. Then there was the prostitute in Paris who bore a frightening resemblance to Cordelia that happened just the once. Neither of those liaisons comes close to this one moment of grace hidden behind the main altar. He feels guilty for stealing something he’s got no right to accept.

“Hey, you got two bucks?” Faith asks quietly. She isn’t moving away from him like she should.

Xander does what Faith won’t and physically backs off, mentally shoving the loss of contact as far away from himself as he can. “American or Canadian? And why?” He’s very proud of the fact that his voice remains steady.

“Doesn’t matter. I wanna light a candle.”

He raises his eyebrows at more Catholic mumbo jumbo from Faith, who’s turning out to be more Catholic than probably even she suspects. Without a word he digs out his wallet and turns over two American greenbacks.

“Thanks,” she grins as she salutes him with the dollar bills. She forces the money into a collection slot and gets busy lighting one of the many candles.

“So who’s this?” he nods at the altar. He’s curious about the saint that seems to inspire this gesture from Faith of all people.

She blows out the long wick she used to light her candle, letting the smoke curl in front of her eyes. “St. Anyanka.”

Xander’s heart stops at the unexpected answer and he can feel hysterical laughter bubbling dangerously at the back of his throat.

“S’my mom’s all-time favorite saint,” Faith says as she sticks the wick into the sand and steps back. “Can’t believe they got an altar to her here. Thought they de-sainted her awhile ago because they couldn’t prove she really existed.”

He can feel the smirk on his face and he hates himself for it. It would be so easy right now to point out the big flaw in the system of Catholic saints.

“Hey, stop that,” she snaps, but there’s no heat in it. “I know it’s a little retarded, but it’s for old time’s sake.”

“Old time’s sake,” he deadpans. What he really wants to say is that he knows for a fact that Anya would be pretty put out that he just wasted two bucks on a stupid candle in a stupid church instead of investing it and doubling his money.

Faith’s voice reveals a broken sadness that Xander understands all to well. “I know my mom wasn’t the greatest, you know? But when she was straight, she was pretty okay. Her being sober got less and less when I got older, so the okay times pretty much disappeared by the time my Watcher took me in.”

Xander’s confused. Faith is veering away from their safe little script of ‘business only’ that had been meticulously followed for six months. If he thinks about it, Faith actually started down this path just about the time they first laid eyes on the cathedral. He doesn’t understand the whys of this and he’s afraid to ask what’s prompted her go into share mode.

It’s a scary thing to realize that he’s learned more about Faith in this church than he has in the past six months and that their running conversation in the precincts of Ste-Anne-de-Beaupre have been more intimate than the one time they got biblical.

Faith’s still talking, but Xander’s not entirely sure if she’s talking to him, St. Anyanka, or herself. “Looking back, she didn’t have it easy. My life is sweet compared to what she had, being a single mom with a taste for the cheap sh—I mean booze.”

“You haven’t had it easy either, you know,” Xander gently reminds her.

“I know, but I got pretty good life just the same. Better than anyone has a right to expect, including me.”

Xander has no idea what to say to that as he watches Faith lean against the railing, her eyes not leaving the statue that doesn’t look the littlest bit like Anya.

“Mom always prayed to St. Anyanka. This one time…” Faith lets the thought hang. “Forget it. It’s stupid.”

“What’s stupid?”

Faith turns to face him and she looks at him through lowered lashes. “Promise not to laugh?”

The question is enough to drive all trace of the funny from the situation. He suspects that Anya is about to give him one final kick in the balls and he’s powerless to stop it. All he can do is dumbly nod.

“Way back when she got preggers with me she told the guy she was seeing that she was in the family way,” Xander notices that there’s no danger of the word ‘father’ getting anywhere close to this conversation, “well, first he tells her that there’s no way he’s responsible for her getting knocked up and then he accuses her of cheating on him. Then she finds out that he’s been dick—I mean sleeping around.”

Xander shudders. He knows how this is going to end. A lit candle, a whispered word, and St. Anyanka exacts vengeance.

He wants to stop Faith, tell her that he doesn’t want to know; that he never, ever wants to know.

And somewhere in the cathedral that damn woman is giggling again.

It’s the giggling that stops the words from ever reaching his lips.

“So, she gets herself to a church, because abortion is totally out,” Faith can’t hear the giggling, she doesn’t notice how quiet he’s gotten, “and she starts praying to every saint she can find. She gets to St. Anyanka’s statue and makes the same ‘help me’ prayer. ’Cept, unlike with all the other saints, she gets an answer.”

He backs up until he can feel the stone pillar at his back. His heart goes into free-fall and his body thrums in the knowledge that it’s going to hurt like hell when it lands, assuming he survives the impact. He wants to beg for mercy—Please stop. Please.—but he already knows he won’t get it. Worse, he knows he doesn’t deserve it.

“Now my mom swore up and down that it really was St. Anyanka. Me,” Faith shrugs, “I don’t know so much. I figure she either fell asleep or was probably hallucinating ’cause she was high on something. Anyway, my mom swore she had a talk with this saint about men and how much they su—I mean stink. She just let my mom unload all her problems on her.”

“And then your mother made a wish,” Xander whispers. The confession seems to bounce and echo off unyielding stone walls before it is carried upwards into the dome. It reverberates there before it overlaps and blends in with all the other trapped shattered illusions.

Faith’s face should be suspicious, he thinks. She should glare at him for interrupting. She should be giving him a sharp look and asking him how the hell he knows that.

But Faith’s face doesn’t do any of that. Instead it looks like the sun has burst out from behind cloud cover and she blesses him with the most beautiful smile he’s ever seen. “Hey, you really were listening to me back there about the miracle statue.”

Say it! Just say it! His mind shouts him. Tell her how you know!

“So, St. Anyanka asks her what she wants,” Faith says, her eyes tracking to the statue that looks nothing like a vengeance demon about to grant to wish. “My mom lays it on her: She hopes the son of a…gun gets what’s coming to him. She don’t care how. And she wants her kid to be stronger and tougher than any guy who’d try to take advantage of it, well, of me as it turns out.”

Xander wants to scream, but it comes out more as a low groan.

“Hey,” Faith focuses tightly on him. “Just some story my mom told me. Less teeth in it than a ghost story.”

“What happened?” How he manages to ask, he just doesn’t know. He can feel the desperate unspoken plea: Tell me nothing happened. Tell me it was just a dream.

“My mom claimed that the guy who knocked her up got tossed into Bridgewater for some serial rape charge about a week after this conversation and winds up shived to death a week after that,” Faith says. She leaves unsaid that the kid who’d be stronger than any guy grew up to be a Slayer.

“Do you believe it?” He needs to know and he doesn’t want to know.

Faith bites her lip; eyes studying fake Anya. “I dunno. It’s like our miracle statue back there. Or your two African gods. Maybe it’s true. Maybe it ain’t. But sometimes things happen that make you wonder just a little.”

Xander doesn’t wonder. No, he doesn’t wonder at all.

She ducks her head, hair falling in her face. “Maybe that’s why I can’t quite let go, hunh? With the genuflecting and the kneeling and the candles. It’s that little bit of doubt, see? It’s dumb and I know it’s dumb.”

“It’s not dumb.”

Faith studies him sidewise, trying to figure out if he’s sincere. She apparently decides he is. “From you? That’s something.” She checks her watch. “I better stand look out. Coming?”

“In a sec,” he says numbly. As the Slayer turns to leave, he adds, “I’m sorry.”

Faith gives him a what-the-hell look. “For what?”

“For your mom. For what happened. To her. To you. I’m sorry.”

Faith steps closer to study his face and Xander realizes he can’t breathe. “You weren’t there,” she says slowly, “and you didn’t knock my mother up, you didn’t tell her pray to St. Anyanka, and you didn’t make St. Anyanka answer. It happened long before you ever came into the picture.”

She knows? How long has she known, he wonders.

“Before you ask, yeah, my mom really did claim it happened.” She gives him a sad smile. “Looks like you think it could’ve happened too, and you probably should know better than anyone.”

Xander closes his eyes and waits for that right cross that he well and truly deserves. Instead there’s a gentle touch on his cheek and Faith’s voice saying, “You’re a good man, Xander Harris.”

When he finally gets the courage to open his eyes, Faith’s already gone.

He sinks to the ground. It’s unfair, he thinks, feeling the weight of 1,200 years of guilt that doesn’t belong to him. It belongs to her, but since she’s not around anymore it falls to him, the guy who offered St. Anyanka unending worship of a more carnal kind, to carry this. He doesn’t want to think about how many of St. Anyanka’s victims may have unknowingly crossed his path. It must be a lot. If you consider just how long St. Anyanka ran rampant through human history, there probably isn’t a single human alive who hasn’t been touched by her work.

Including him. Maybe most especially him.

This is St. Anyanka’s—no—Anya’s legacy. A world re-made, people molded into new shapes, and a tapestry of human experience testifying to the price vengeance exacts on the innocent. It’s a masterpiece, one that will live for eternity. Even he can see that.

Whatever the roots of where they all are now, they can’t blame St. Anyanka any more. Whatever goes wrong from here on out is their fault, not hers, and it’s up to them—no, to him—to pull some good out of this.

He crawls back to his feet and studies the altar. It’s worth trying, he decides, even if it costs him his life, it’s worth trying.

From your lips to God’s ears. He remembers Rory saying that. It seems to fit.

It’s with a shaky hand that he lights a candle in memory of Sunnydale, in memory of Anya, in memory of Faith’s mother wherever she may be, and in memory of the victims of vengeance demons living and dead. He shoves a ten-dollar bill into the slot in exchange for the prayer he can’t voice and whispers, “Keep the change.”

He leaves the back altars on unsteady feet unable to lift his eyes and nearly stumbles into the open cathedral, landing somewhere near the foot of the pedestal holding the so-called miracle statue aloft. He peers up into the statue’s face and notes that yet another change in angle means yet another change in expression. Instead of fiercely protective or merely interested, this one is somehow kinder and more understanding of the human frailty at her feet.

The thought pops into his head: Can you fix me? Can you fix Faith? It’s a silent challenge to the saint or goddess or god or demon or supernatural anything hiding behind that cool, plaster façade.

At the edge of his hearing he again hears that warm giggle. Instead of nagging and teasing, this time it seems to promise something else: Only if you let me let you heal yourselves.

Typical. It’s just the answer he’d expect.

As he turns away he hears someone kindly whisper in his ear: “It’s okay. Things change. This will someday pass. I can wait.”

He looks around for the source, but there’s no one nearby. It’s just him and St. Anne. He suspiciously peers up at this odd saint and is surprisingly disappointed to see that there’s no reaction from her—no, from it—at all. As he turns away, a trick of the light in the corner of his one good eye almost fools him into thinking St. Anne—the statue, he forcibly reminds himself—has winked at him.

Faith is standing right at the crossroads in the center of the cathedral when Xander catches up with her. She gives no sign that she even remembers their conversation as her eyes scan the smattering of people entering the church to attend the 4 o’clock mass. She spots their Slayer before he does. “Right there.”

“Which nun?” he whispers back.

“She’s with the ones with the black habits and the white dresses. Carmelites, if I remember,” Faith says. “The youngest one. She’s a novice, right?”

“You ready?” he asks.

She looks at him and he can see in her eyes that she doesn’t want to do this any more than he does. She knows what he knows: they’re going to destroy this young woman’s life and she’s going to let them.

Like how St. Anyanka destroyed the life of Faith’s mother, and how Faith’s mother let her do it with a single wish. No. Not St. Anyanka. Anya. He can’t let himself forget that ever again.

The fact they’re in complete wordless agreement on this point does nothing to comfort him.

“Let’s go,” he says softly. He gathers up his courage and makes his way up the aisle.

Their Slayer spots them before they even get close and Xander can see her eyes widen in surprise and then settle into recognition before pitching headfirst into resignation.

The other nuns back away as he and Faith stop right in front of the novice.

“Sister Jeanne?” Faith asks.

“You’re here,” is all she says in English as the now never-to-be nun clutches the edge of the pew in her right hand.

And the sound of wood cracking echoes through the cathedral.

END





A little post-script:

This one is story is a short one (for me).

Inspired by [livejournal.com profile] musesfool’s Psalm challenge to a large extent. It loosely ties in with that Homicide/Buffy cross I pick at between Living History bouts and finishing Ishmael Sings of the White Whale for the Faithfic Challenge. Think of it as a prequel.

Just a quick note:

Yes, Ste-Anne-de-Beaupre really does exist and yes, it is believed the good saint herself bestows healing on believers and non-believers alike when they stop by to visit. The description of the grounds, the gift shop, the priest-in-a-box, the cathedral, the altars, and the statue are exactly as laid out in the story. And yes, the cathedral is really staffed by priests in the Redemptionist order. I couldn’t make that up if I tried. The curious can take a virtual tour here

I also couldn’t make up Legba and Eshu if I tried. Thank you Google for helping me find two West African trickster gods when I really needed them.

To an extent, this is one of those stories that have been patiently waiting to be written. The key scene near the end has been hanging around on my hard drive in one form or another for approximately a year. I never thought I’d get a chance to use it, but thanks to [livejournal.com profile] musesfool, I got my hook.

The cathedral is real, but the characters aren’t. They’re owned by Fox and Mutant Enemy. Don’t sue.

In my own head this story is a PG. But because of the religious nature of the running discussion between Xander and Faith, plus the fact I was unable to resist playing on Faith’s name, I’m boosting it to a PG-13. Damn my Catholic-raised, currently Unitarian sensibilities.

People who are religious might find this mildly insulting since the story is told from the point of view of someone who is most definitely not a believer. People who are not religious may find this mildly insulting because of the little bit of hanging doubt that runs through the piece. In short, if you’re overly sensitive about religious issues--pro or con--don’t say I didn’t warn you.
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[identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com 2004-06-21 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It's cool that local gods who were screwing with his head and at the same time getting him to help others. That's a good way to get people to do things because everyone wins: the gods get a job done and a bit of fun, the helper gets the satisfaction of winning/surviving another game, and the common people get help.

But the second part with St. Anyanka? Nice. Yet extremely painful to even read.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-21 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Father Ted! ShinyShiny!

Sorry. I got distracted by your icon. *pets Father Ted*

I'm glad you like. The St. Anyanka scene is actually the one that's a year old (it's been tweaked a for the story). It was painful to write.

As for Eshu and Legba...I blame [livejournal.com profile] huzzlewhat for inspiring me with Seeing Africa

[identity profile] norwegianne.livejournal.com 2004-06-21 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved it. And while I was reading something familiar popped into my head, and I searched for St. Anyanka. I knew I'd read about her someplace before... well...



St. Anyanka pray for us, St. Anyanka aid us, St. Anyanka avenge us, St. Anyanka comfort us. Our hearts call out to you, our tears cry out for you. Your sword is our innocence, your words our weapon. Shed the blood of mine enemies and protect me from their shadows. Such is my wish and will. Amen.


Turned out that that was you as well... ;)

It was interesting how you portrayed Faith. The lapsed Catholic works for her. And the amusement in that Xander knows pagan religions better than the Christian was also funny to read. Good job.

[identity profile] ludditerobot.livejournal.com 2004-06-21 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Good piece. Wonderful piece. I loved it.

As I understand it, Montreal and Toronto have large immigrant populations from the Caribbean, including the francophone country Haiti. Perhaps also African immigrants, I don't know. Papa Legba plays a large role in vodoun. Just saying there might be more for Xander to do in Quebec.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Just imagining Xander running smack into Papa Legba in New Orleans...oh man. The ranting commeth....

(shhhhhh, let's not tell him that Papa Legba is coded to St. Anthony...that would be bad...)

[identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com 2004-06-21 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
The idea of laying the Slayer destiny onto someone who (a) is already committed to the religious life and (b) won't feel able to refuse is excellent - must be even more conflicted than the usual "I don't want to fight icky monsters" reaction.

As for Saint Anyanka, that's a lovely idea, and given the way that sainthood works I can easily believe in it happening. After all, it'd be easy enough to show a string of miracles occurring, if you ignore the body count... Someone mentioned an earlier story with a prayer, where can I find it?

[identity profile] norwegianne.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I was referring to Where Fools Go, I think you can find it on fanfiction.net with her stories. I doubt they're connected, though one never knows... but I found it interesting.

[identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks - I did a search after commenting and found it on a site called "Map of the Human Heart", which has a lot of Xander-centric stories

http://puguita.web.prw.net/MAP/fanfic.htm

I don't think this is the actual home page for the site, but there are no links to that page and I can't find it.

I've now got a plot bunny running in the back of my head, a "two saints meet" story in which Leslie Charteris' Saint meets Anyanka, a sequel to Hyperion and Dead Pool. Trouble is that The Saint has a few scorned women in his past, mostly people who tried to con him, and I really don't want him eviscerated...

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh man! Do it! Do it! Do it!

I mean, c'mon, The Saint wouldn't be able to charm his way out of it? Heh. Could be the beginning of Anyanka's downward spiral into Sunnydale...

[identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe - if I can borrow St. Anyanka from you?

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
The St. Anyanka scene was originally written for the Where Fools Go series (a series I despair of ever getting back to ever again at this rate) for a later installment so there was a vague connection between Xander's "prayer" that would get repeated in a later installment.

But, I wasn't sure how to get to that scene (or indeed if I'd ever get to it) and I did want to use it. When the Psalm fic challenge came up, I saw it could work (with some re-writing) and decided to use it for this one.

So, good eye. *heh*
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[identity profile] mara-sho.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
The hairs on the back of my neck are standing on end. This was just... words fail me... beautifully executed and perfectly written.

I'm in awe.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. *grins*

[identity profile] booster17.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Ow. Gripping and painful to read near the end, yet just couldn't stop reading. Two very tormented and damaged souls, and the damage they've about to deal.

Very, very nice work.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

Plus, I wanted Faith to be somewhat *happy-shiny* before dealing with the Anyanka thing so people wouldn't think she was sticking it to Xander just to stick it to him. Actually, I call it a sign of trust that she actually told him about it.

Ooooh, more information on that scene above...

(Anonymous) 2004-06-22 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
The first half sucks you in; the second half, as you've posted it here on LJ, is the suckerpunch to the stomach. The revelation about (St.)Anya(nka) and Faith's mom was unexpected yet logical, and painful to read on Xander's half to boot. In a way, it's like the antithesis of M. Night's movie, "Signs," in that in the end, Xander sees too late the interconnectedness of things, a piece of the grand pattern that might be there that we normally can't see, and yet it *doesn't* magically reaffirm or instill in him a renewed (or just new) sense of faith, but more a sense of guilt, burden, and responsibility. One thing I like about your Xander is that he's *so* unable to see his glass as half-full, but not in that "I want more water in my glass" kind of way.

(And either I'm reading too much into things, but was Faith subtly flirting with him in the first half? :) )

--skippcomet

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
AAAAAAHAAAAA! I knew someone said it.

Actually, I left it ambiguous on purpose. Could be it was a flirt. Could be she was trying to help in her own way but she only knows how to flirt. Can I get back to you?

But, yeah, I didn't to actually "solve" anything or assume there was anything to "solve" at all.

Plus, Xander has already shown he can't quite come to grips with the Anya/Anyanka duality. So I just tried to figure out how he would deal if he was forced to face up to it in such a way that the person he viewed as being a "victim" was essentially blameless in the whole situation. Throw in Faith's difficult past? Instant guilt.

[identity profile] liptonrm.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Fascinating and very, very good. I've always been curious about religion and the Buffy-verse and how well the two would intertwine. I really enjoyed seeing the 'good' powers have a little influence in the Buffy world for once. It just fits that the deities who would take the most interest in Xander would be two African trickster gods. Appropriate, that;-).

The fact that Faith is religious at some level seems oddly appropriate. She makes a wonderful lapsed Catholic;-). And I find Xander's take on it to be fascinating. He's seen so much that most people think of as myths that it almost seems as if the ability to believe has been leeched out of him, in a way. Intriguing in a "make me want to go find a dozen books and research and write a paper on it" sort of way;-).

And Xander's grief and guilt over Anya's past 'sins' is gut-wrenching. Oh Xander, my poor dear.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*smacks Xander*

*pets Xander*

We do love torturing our boy, don't we? *snicker*

I know in other FB I've argued that agnositicism and Xander just seem to go together in my head (total fanon, I know) because I can't actually see him believing in anything in particular because of his background. It is canon he's dealt with a hell god and an all-powerful evil. If he ever dealt with TPTB on Angel, he'd probably not trust them on general principle.

Plus, I thought it was pretty telling in "Hell's Bells" that someone insisted on a minister, but they were getting married at the moose lodge. Did you see anything religious anywhere near the happy couple? Nope. And I can totally see Anya insisting on getting a minister because "that's the way it's done."

Plus Xander. Trickster gods. Two great tastes that taste great together. I couldn't resist.

[identity profile] nikitangel.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Sigh. I just love that. I pimped it on my LJ, but I can change the link from ff.net to LJ if you want.

Yay for quality Xander and Faith!

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I saw!

Whatever you feel more comfortable linking to...I'm just happy with the pimp and kind words.

Plus, how often to you have a fic where Faith is actually the happier and more stable person in the story.

Wait. Wait. [livejournal.com profile] nwhepcat's Lilac City, but that's the exception in Faith-dom.

[identity profile] nikitangel.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
Not very often at all! In fact, I can't think of another instance at this moment.

I haven't been reading Lilac City, as I missed the beginning and figured I'd just catch up when it was complete. Looking forward to it, though!

[identity profile] casix-thizbane.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, another well done story. You did a great job of catching the whole, for lack of a better term at the moment, lapsed-Catholic vibe from Faith. It's tough, when you were raised to believe a certain thing, not to fall back into it somewhat when you're back in church. . . .

Anyway, I, for one, would love to hear/see more adventures of Xander, Legba, and Eshu at some point in the future. Those stories are, I think, just dying to be told.

--Casix

As I posted on the XZ...

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
No. Not me. No.

If someone else wants to torture Xander, feel free. Not me. No. I have to finish too many stories, including Living History (the fic that ate my brain) and my Faith fic-a-thon piece.

Plus, just getting Legba and Eshu required research like you wouldn't believe. I don't actually want to think of a series set in Africa. My head would explode. In bloody chunks.

You wouldn't want to see me in bloody chunks, would you?

Re: As I posted on the XZ...

[identity profile] physicsteach.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
No. No we don't.

We want to see you chained (well, securely fastened anyway) to a word processor. We can handle the carpal tunnel syndrome by getting you a nice noise-cancelling microphone if it comes to that, but bloody chunks are right out.

[identity profile] 4thdixiechick.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Wonderful story!

I liked how events interrelated, even when characters didn't realize it. Love the trickster gods tormenting Xander; enjoyed the growing trust between Xander & Faith.

(Wish I were eloquent enough to give you the lengthy feedback you deserve).

Thanks for sharing this great story with us!

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I'm trying to be good about keeping up with the FB on this one since it's a one-shot.

(see me replying to as much as I can)

Plus, this one took up a lot more time than I actually planned. Part of it was because I needed Xander to "give" something to Faith (his story) so that it would balance out when Faith "gave" something to Xander (her story). I spent more time researching the two trickster gods than I care to admit...

[identity profile] 4thdixiechick.livejournal.com 2004-06-22 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I'm trying to be good about keeping up with the FB on this one since it's a one-shot....
Plus, this one took up a lot more time than I actually planned. Part of it was because I needed Xander to "give" something to Faith (his story) so that it would balance out when Faith "gave" something to Xander (her story). I spent more time researching the two trickster gods than I care to admit...


I think the two stories balanced each other (is that an example of parallel writing? Gah, I have no functioning brain cells left...)

Sorry to hear that this is definitely a one-shot. Personnally, I'd love to see more of the Xander-Faith friendship you've started here, or more of Xander & the trickster gods--and it would put more of that research to good use!

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-27 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm actually hoping someone picks up the trickster gods and runs with them.

Although I can imagine Xander running around New Orleans screaming "I don't BELIEVE THIS!" when he runs into the Vodoo version of Papa Legba would be highly amusing.

The story itself is a one-shot. The Homicide/BtVS cross I'm picking at is loosely related in that it pulls another line from the same Psalm. So I'm toying with the "partners" dynamic.

Gotta finish Living History first, tho.

[identity profile] charliesmum.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 08:56 am (UTC)(link)
Farking brilliant, as usual.

Did you ever read any Terry Pratchett? Cause he has this whole thing about the difference between believing in gods and simply knowing they are there. He uses the table analogy as well, and says it's one thing to know the table is there, but you don't have to go around saying 'oh great table without whom we are as naught.'

Seriously this reminded me both of Pratchett (who is brilliant) and Neil Gaiman (American Gods. Excellent book)

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-27 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read that particular Pratchett book (even though I've read quite a few) using the table example and belief in gods. *cries*

Actually, I have read Small Gods (one of my favorites) and I remember the passage in that book about the philosopher athiest who argued with the gods that they didn't really exist and the gods found him greatly amusing. Plus, there was some the concept of "gods are what we believe them to be" that Pratchett plays with in the same novel. So it was more a nod in that direction.

*headdesk* If I knew about the table example, I probably would've re-written that. Good thing I didn't at the time.

But, yeah, I loved American Gods, too. Gaimen is one of my fave authors. Obviously you've read their combined effort Good Omens. Heeeeee! I've got a first edition printing hardcover of that book that I bought when I was in high school.

[identity profile] honoria.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

[identity profile] moooleeesssaaa.livejournal.com 2004-06-25 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
So wow. Once again blown away. I just have to reiterate how much I love your Xander and Faith. I say your because once they left that crater and walked in your worlds they went beyond what Whedon had made of them. And I have to say I'm so glad you decided to play with them.
It's sort of like believing in your kitchen table. You know it's real. You know it's there. Faith in your kitchen table is immaterial to the equation since you're going to have to deal with its reality on a regular basis.
That just reminded me of this Literary Criticism class I took where the prof was talking about... semantics I think. There was this whole theory about how if you smashed every cup in the world a cup would still exist because you would still have the idea of the cup in the world and you didn't have to have one in front of you to prove it existed. It would still retain its "cupness." And I think that in a nutshell says why I enjoy reading your stories (and I weep to think that Where Fools Go is stalled because I am invested in that Xander/Faith dynamic as well) because they make me think. It's not just reading passively. You get involved and cheer them along. You become Bastian in Neverending Story and walk next to them on their journey. And I thank you for that too.
I think I'm done being deep. I just wanted to let you know you are quite appreciated.
...since they became the Slayer equivalent of Mulder and Scully six months ago pretty much centers on business—is the toughest they ever will have.
Should I be disturbed that I immediately pictured them in Mulder and Scully outfits?

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-27 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Apologies for the long wait on a reply.

*blushes*

Thank you very much for this FB.

I vaguely remember a similar example from high school regarding math: that numbers represent a concept. We have an idea of what "four" means, for example, even though "four" doesn't really exist absent physical objects.

And people wonder why I had a very hard time with algebra.

Actually, I wish I was that clever. As someone pointed out above, Terry Pratchett has very much a similar philosophy regarding belief in gods or a god. Strangely enough, I wasn't aware that I used a similar example (the table example) as I hadn't read that particular novel. I have, however, read Small Gods (a very good stand-alone novel in the Discworld series) where he mentions in passing about an athiest who likes to argue with the gods and the gods find him amusing.

As for Where Fools Go,/i>, a lot of people ask when I'm going to move forward with that. *cries* I blame Living History for pulling me off track, which is why I call it the "fic that ate my brain." It doesn't help that my life has gotten hella mucho busier since I started writing that series, which is another strike.

Heeee...Faith and Xander in Mulder and Scully outfits....hehehehehehehehe. Well, we know Xander's Scully....

Sorry, my mind went to a funny place.

[identity profile] ponders-life.livejournal.com 2004-06-25 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I really enjoyed reading this. It worked on all levels: terrific characterization, dialogue, and plot, and I loved the interaction between Xander and Faith. I especially enjoyed seeing religion treated in such a thoughtful, personal (to the characters) way, instead of retreating to stereotypes (Caleb pissed. me. off.).

I understand that you already have plenty on your writing plate, but if you ever need a break from your other WIPs, I would be very interested in reading the further adventures of this Xander and Faith team.

You've got yourself another fan.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-27 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! (And sorry for the long reply! I'm trying to catch up on email!)

There are two more stories in the works related to Victoria P's psalm fic challenge. One is a Homicide/BtVS cross and the final one is from Faith's point of view.

*grins*

Thanks for reading.

Right now, I have Faithfic challenge to get back to.

[identity profile] iyalode.livejournal.com 2004-06-26 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
Gosh I love how you wrote Faith in this. And I think you're spot on Xander's attitude towards religion. I really enjoyed this.

And wait, a Homicide/Buffy cross?! ::squee:: Can't wait to read that one. Tom Fontana is my hero. Although I curse you in turn because I keep wondering what would have happened if Xander had been convicted of killing Flutie or raping Buffy in a twisted version of The Pack and ended up in Oz. Sigh. And yeah, I know, it's a bad fic waiting to happen .... but darn.

[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com 2004-06-27 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
A BtVS/Oz cross? Not necessarily. The key is that the tone of one universe has to prevail while the other "universe" is added for spice. It's the only way it'll work.

For example, I and a co-writer learned when we wrote a Battlestar Galactica/Red Dwarf cross some 10 years ago. It was actually pretty funny, even though it took place on the Battlestar Galactica "side," the general tone of the story was "Red Dwarf." I mean, common...swirly things? Killer curry? Talkie Toaster becoming the Cylon Imperious Leader? The Cylons getting a new mission to spread baked goods through the known universe? Heh. It really was the only way to make it work.

But, yeah, a Homicide/BtVS cross using Bayliss's point of view from behind bars (with guest appearance from Meldrick and Munch). The Homicide "universe" is the dominant tone of the story while the BtVS stuff is actually added for the "spice" since Faith and Xander aren't actually giving him the full story.

So it can definitely be done. It's worth giving it a shot.

I'm still picking at it (I have the beginning written and the end written). Part of the problem is I'm not confident about writing slash (the slash is dream slash from Bayliss's part) so it's probably not getting anywhere near reality until August...at least....

[identity profile] hpchick.livejournal.com 2004-06-27 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
The key is that the tone of one universe has to prevail while the other "universe" is added for spice. That's it! I could never figure out how to word the reason I usually don't like cross-overs besides, "something about them just feels off." It's the tone! It's as if authors neglect setting a tone altogether rather than choosing the tone of one universe over the other.

Did you give up on the Buffy/Ally McBeal cross-over?

Oh...Contrite Spirits...Yay! The final product was wicked awesome. *grins* I liked the changes you made.

[identity profile] iyalode.livejournal.com 2004-06-28 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, exactly. One universe must 'hold the hat' so to speak for a crossover to work for me as a reader.

I think the BtVS/Oz fic intrigues me because of the possible changes in Xander's perception and specifically on certain characters ie: Angel. I'm not certain he'd fit with the Sunnydale crew afterwards, the general tone of such a story leads more to Angel-ness.

[identity profile] callmesandy.livejournal.com 2004-09-11 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
I read this when you first posted and am just now belatedly leaving feedback - because it's wonderful and ever since I first read the story, it was all wedged in my head like a buzzing bee in a good way. I love Xander here, with his characteristic modesty and his prickly relationship with Faith and equally love Faith. The twists of the trickster gods and St. Anyanka, all awesome. Such a great story!!

[identity profile] othercat.livejournal.com 2005-04-30 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
I love this!
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[personal profile] rsadelle 2005-08-07 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ohhh. This story is fantastic. Thank you.

[identity profile] spiralleds.livejournal.com 2006-01-10 09:09 am (UTC)(link)
What an amazing story. From humorous highs to heartbreaking lows. Lovely job of weaving both of their pasts together with the present.

[identity profile] skelron.livejournal.com 2006-06-26 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
Beutiful, I can't say enough good things about this fic. From the near perfect repersentation of Faith as a Lapsed Catholic. Really being Catholic is like the mafia, once your in your in. dosn't matter how long it's been or how far you pull away some part of it remains. Hell I've seen books by atheist catholics trying to work out where they fit in as Catholics.

I love your work, I love your memories of Anya, how they can be both painful for xander and how he constantly has to deal with the fact that this woman whom he loved was also for 1000+ years a bringer of pain and death.

I love this story. Now I've got many more of your fics to read so I'll be slipping away right now...

[identity profile] druidspell.livejournal.com 2006-08-22 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
I stumbled across this story more than 2 years after the fact at [livejournal.com profile] dvd_commentary, and just wanted to say Yay! This was really good!

[identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, what an interesting idea. I really did not see "St Anyanka" coming, though it would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

Very thought provoking!