But there's that hard-core element that just gets your hackles up.
Definitely. Most definitely.
On the surface, it seems a harmless enough kink. Until some of them open their mouths.
It's the ones who won't ... that I worry about
My issue with that, though, is which is the symptom and which is the drug? It's a fairly existential point, I realize, but these guys were like this before Gor and they'll be like this after Gor. Does Gor actually affect them so much that they have to go out and reenact it? And if so, who's to say it won't be something else that creates the same point of focus?
Again, I get what you're saying. And I'm well aware that I'm talking almost at cross-purposes, here, because I'm looking at underlying philosophy. But when I see things like this even when people aren't asking for banning -- as you and Tamora Pierce both aren't, thankfully -- I still have this reaction of whoa, wait a second. It makes me thinky.
And a little stubborn because we're a bunch of women who do not want to be treated like crap, so we tend in a general, fandom-wide sense to stir ourselves up for the choir and start making statements that aren't meant, but man, they sound good at the time.
That kind of thing bothers me a lot. So I guess I wanted to get this out there sooner.
they don't sell and add to that and you also have enough people seriously squicked by them that they just won't buy them, and that's both sexes
Which is genuinely fantastic. That this guy is exposed for exactly what he is: a freak who has no idea how to deal with women, so he creates fantasies that are terrifying and not at all worth the paper they're printed on, or the pixels that give them form.
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Definitely. Most definitely.
On the surface, it seems a harmless enough kink. Until some of them open their mouths.
It's the ones who won't ... that I worry about
My issue with that, though, is which is the symptom and which is the drug? It's a fairly existential point, I realize, but these guys were like this before Gor and they'll be like this after Gor. Does Gor actually affect them so much that they have to go out and reenact it? And if so, who's to say it won't be something else that creates the same point of focus?
Again, I get what you're saying. And I'm well aware that I'm talking almost at cross-purposes, here, because I'm looking at underlying philosophy. But when I see things like this even when people aren't asking for banning -- as you and Tamora Pierce both aren't, thankfully -- I still have this reaction of whoa, wait a second. It makes me thinky.
And a little stubborn because we're a bunch of women who do not want to be treated like crap, so we tend in a general, fandom-wide sense to stir ourselves up for the choir and start making statements that aren't meant, but man, they sound good at the time.
That kind of thing bothers me a lot. So I guess I wanted to get this out there sooner.
they don't sell and add to that and you also have enough people seriously squicked by them that they just won't buy them, and that's both sexes
Which is genuinely fantastic. That this guy is exposed for exactly what he is: a freak who has no idea how to deal with women, so he creates fantasies that are terrifying and not at all worth the paper they're printed on, or the pixels that give them form.