Xander_Faith_Partners_in_Crimeliz_marcs ([personal profile] liz_marcs) wrote,
@ 2009-11-27 20:33:00
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For You Female Veterans...This One's For You...

I have to say one good thing about the Congressional delegation from MA:

They're very big on Tele-Town Halls.

And somehow, I got on the list of people who will actually drop anything for them and listen in which means that in the past two months I've ended up in two Tele-Town Halls — it would've been more except that I hadn't been home to answer the phone.

Anyway, it's no secret that there's a bruising fight going on here to replace the late Sen. Kennedy.

Lucky me, the candidates are calling me. And what do you know? A call tonight from candidate and Congressman Mike Capuano for a Tele-Town Hall complete with Q&A for voters.

Most of the people on the phone are asking questions I would ask, so I was just going to listen to the answers, when a question popped into my head:

Female veterans. Namely, lack of services for female veterans within the VA system itself.

I have a relative that runs a homeless veterans shelter and he's felt that he lacks the resources to help female veterans. THis, with Iraq and Afghanistan bringing in a lot more female veterans than past conflicts. Also, [livejournal.com profile] ginmar, herself a veteran of Iraq has mentioned this issue in her journal.

So, yeah. I hit him with the question: There are a lack of services for female veterans. I know people experiencing this first hand. Can you do anything about this?

There was a little bit of a "Humina, humina, humina" when I asked. *evil smile*

But, and this is the important bit here, I'm the first person to bring up the issue of female veterans to him. Period. Amen.

He acknowledged that the VA is under stress across the board. I also definitely got the sense that the idea that female veterans might require different services from their male counterparts was not an idea that actually crossed his mind. To be fair, the female moderator seemed to be taken aback by the question when I put my question into the queue as well, so I suspect that this simply isn't an issue too many people even think about, male or female.

According to Congressman Capuano is that a big part of the problem is simply that there doesn't appear to be a whole lot of information out there. (Keep in mind, this is the first time Congressman Capuano had even been asked about services for female veterans.)

Although he was very receptive to getting more information about the issue, the problem is getting the information to him (or to any congressman/senator who might be willing to do something about it, really) from a reliable source with hard data.

The other issue is that the VA tends to try out reforms in large urban centers before rippling out to smaller centers (which the congressman pointed out is SOP). So, the issue, based on the Congressman's answer seems to be this:


  • Getting veterans' organizations to actually raise this as an issue

  • Getting Congress-critters attention about the issue

  • Getting a local large VA medical center to collect data and try something to address the issue



He was definitely intrigued by the question, though. And that's something

In short, noise needs to be made if attention is to be paid. A lot of noise.

My brain officially hurts. A lot.

And I can't even figure out where to begin. Also in my way: not a veteran, not a member of any veterans' organization. My family was mostly an Air Force family (the odd Army and Navy person aside), and the last conflict where any of them actually needed to fire a gun was in World War II.

My Air Force vet dad, for example, spent most of the Vietnam war decoding coded signals from Russian fishing trawlers in Japan. He was more at the military intelligence/geek end of military service, and not so much at the actual carrying of guns end of military service. Other post-World War II people in my family fell very much into that same category of "geeks" (although, it could be because they were more the geeky Air Force-type people as opposed to the front-line boo-yah people).

So, no juice there, either.

*sigh*

Of course, let me add that I feel like I've been run over by a Mac truck (I've been under the weather since yesterday morning) and I'm not firing on all cylinders mental-wise.

Well, at least I raised the issue. Lord knows what good it'll do. Maybe someone out there has ideas and can run with it with their own Congress critters.

ETA: To be fair to Congressman Capuano, he gave an honest answer to my question. Even if you had the hard data in hand, it's not an issue that would be resolved easily or soon. I also give him credit for taking it and trying to answer it without resorting to a pat answer and without fluffing me off.

I had been leaning towards him for the election anyway. His answer didn't really change that.


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[identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 02:07 am UTC (link)
I'm a USAF veteran who served between 1979 and 1992. I have service related injuries, along with PTSD/MSI.

We're invisible, Liz. Transparent, unseen, ignored, dismissed, not there. This was true when I was on active duty, and sadly, it is true today. I even had someone tell me that I might as not even bother to try to get disability bennies out of the VA, because they'll stall and tell me it's all in my head.

I have yet to go to the VA to apply, because I cannot get up the nerve to face that environment again. And I got out in '92. They owe me.

Big time.

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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 02:13 am UTC (link)
I give the Congressman credit: He was honest about his answer. The big problem (and the biggest hurdle) appears to be data, or rather, lack thereof.

He also (honestly, I think) noted that it's not an issue that's going to be solved soon even if you had the hard data in-hand (which no one appears to have).

However, he did take the question seriously and (to his credit) was willing to answer it and didn't have a pat answer for it.

Which...is pretty much a shit sandwich, I know. Maybe pointing to the shit sandwich might prompt, I dunno, something, although God knows what.

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[identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 02:28 am UTC (link)
It is. We need advocates. We need a voice. They come and go- I've been on more than a few groups that started off strong, then fizzled out.

Perhaps I ought to do something. But I don't know what that would be.

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[identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 02:10 am UTC (link)
May repost this?

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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 02:13 am UTC (link)
Feel free.

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[identity profile] mctaran.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 02:38 am UTC (link)
As someone who has a lot of female Veteran friends I just wanted to say thank you :) Just bringing it to attention means a lot.

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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Wish I could say it did more good than just pinging a radar. Maybe, though...

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[identity profile] hrafn.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 03:19 am UTC (link)
If this is all new to him, I guess he didn't see the recent article in the Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/10/31/for_these_women_veterans_a_home_to_call_their_own/). I barely pay attention to the paper myself (the SO gets it, so I usually poke at it), but this was the front article on one of the sections. I'm not sure how accurate the Globe article even is wrt services mentioned and numbers and things like that, since, even though I am a female veteran - Air Force, 1997-2001 - I have paid little attention to anything related to VA care because things were pretty quiet while I was on active duty, so I was 1) never sent anywhere dangerous and 2) lucky etc.

At least he is aware of it now! Thank you.

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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 03:08 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the link.

I passed it on to someone who responded to the post who is seeing her Congresswoman next week who also happens to be on the armed forces committee in Congress.

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[identity profile] melimus.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 10:19 am UTC (link)
I will be seeing Congresswoman Gabby Giffords AZ-8, who is on the armed forces committee and is a big veteran's advocate, next week. . .I will ask her.

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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 03:07 pm UTC (link)
As always, it's very much worth a shot.

If you want to be armed with something slightly more concrete than I was, one of the people responding to this post pointed me to a Boston Globe article about the problem women veterans face in getting services and talks about special needs for women veterans (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/10/31/for_these_women_veterans_a_home_to_call_their_own/).

Thanks in advance for trying.

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[identity profile] kerkevik.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 01:00 pm UTC (link)
Hi,

with your permission I'd like to link this to the soldiers heart lj. It might be of interest there.

Still under Willow & Tara's spell,
Ray.

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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Open post, open to link. :-)

Yes, please.

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[identity profile] kerkevik.livejournal.com
2009-11-29 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Hi,

this is the reply a friend of mine from the States sent me earlier today concerning the post I made about this post of yours.

Mark Hunter <ozma914@hotmail.com> View
To: Ray Harley <kerkevik@btinternet.com>


That was an interesting discussion, thanks for sending the link. There seems to be an irony there, a duel assumption that women should be treated exactly the same as men, but that at the same time women aren't going to get into the combat or high stress situations that men are -- and by now we know better than that.



Still under Willow & Tara's spell,
Ray.

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[identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 01:10 pm UTC (link)
Whenever I've gone to a civilian hospital, the change in treatment is noticeable. As in, they're nicer, they want to do the best for you, and they don't think you're a scammer. The VA is run for profit, with the profit going to the bureaucrats who save money----from skimping on veterans' care. And women veterans get screwed by all and sundry, because there's tremendous resentment against women 'nagging' about anything, any where, any time. The VA has repeatedly tried to tell me that there's 'no need' for programs that treat women, specifically, because nobody's asked. Well, given the shit I've gone through, I wonder how many requests get lost because they just don't want to listen? I think for all the talk about how women are more likely to talk about their symptoms, people have to factor in that people are also less likely to listen.

The VA still regards women as PAP smears waiting to happen. If you need more than that, if you need to have something other than your girlie bits taken care of, you're SOL.

ginmar
1991-present
OIF2

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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 03:12 pm UTC (link)
I suspect the odds are very, very high that there are a lot of female veterans that have run into the buzz saw.

In fact, just now I read a link from someone else who responded from The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/10/31/for_these_women_veterans_a_home_to_call_their_own/) that talks just about this issue and how female veterans are getting really screwed by the system.

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[identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
2009-11-28 03:21 pm UTC (link)
My lawyer sent me an email a while back in which he talked to someone he knows in the VA chain and she said that women are getting screwed because of plain and simple sexism. I shoujld look it up, because this was straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

But, yeah, the very first guy I ever talked to from the VA was a complete and total ass: "Well, why did you do that?"----being asked to justify past decisions is just my very favorite thing ever, especially when they're ignoring that someone else did something wrong to me. By contrast, the Army has been extremely helpful and sensitive, at least the individuals I've talked to.

Women are supposed to serve other people, of course. We're supposed to do housework, raise the kids, etc., etc., We're not supposed to need help. (In fact, women are often abandoned when they sicken or need help.) Women soldiers are expected to come back from this life-changing experience and go back to being submissive women or whatever.

Oh, and here's an example of how subtly--or not---the military undermines its efforts:

The briefing we received on sexual harassment was given by a guy who'd bounced around from unit to unit because he couldn't deal with women.

And during the briefing, the XO said scornfully that any woman who didn't report sexual harassment or rape was an idiot. And deserved it, was the inference.

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[identity profile] lilith925.livejournal.com
2009-11-29 02:46 am UTC (link)
At the St. Cloud V.A. they treat women Veterans very well. I know because That's where I get treated. It's comparable to any private sector health care facility. Their "Well woman" clinic is wonderful, and they don't treat me like an inconvenience.

Come on over and look around! SRSLY.

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[identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
2009-11-29 05:41 am UTC (link)
This is something I hadn't considered, either, and you're right: it needs to come to everyone's attention. I think there's still a tendency to assume that women in the military need to be treated exactly the same as men, and that at the same time women don't get into combat or high stress situations like men do -- both of which are pretty obviously wrong.

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